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Bobos say no-no (National Review urbanite frets about religious conservatives bringing us down)
National Review Online ^ | Nov 16 2006 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 11/16/2006 8:19:09 AM PST by Mamzelle

Martin wants to point out that if it weren't for the icky evangelicals, we'd still have Allen as Senator in Va.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: allen; bobos; intellectualoids; jonathanmartin; theocracy; theophobia; virginia; webb
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To: Mamzelle

Apparently the Bushies have a vested private interest with Mexico. OK you can say that Fox's party is better than the PRI that ruled Mexico for 70 years (they could easily make a comeback)--but all in all Mexico's government is still oligarchical and corrupt. I take a semi-Buchananite approach to immigration. (If you take a full fledged Buchananite approach, it can border on racism) It is primarily the upper classes of American society that are benefiting from illegal immigration. Does it really matter that American will no longer be a majority white country in 2050? (i'll be dead) Buchanan sort of laments this in a round about way. On the face of it no--but the question arises that a flood of people who remain unassimilated not only in language but in attitudes will change the essence of what America has historically been. Basically, it will not be the same country because the civil values will be inherently different. The left sees this as an attack on the inherent goodness and self worth of the individual immigrant--it is not.


21 posted on 11/16/2006 9:47:30 AM PST by brooklyn dave (Dhimmis better not be Dhummis!!!!------or else!!!)
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To: brooklyn dave
re: It is primarily the upper classes of American society that are benefiting from illegal immigration. )))

Yeah, the Mrs. Snows of the party do like their humble, cheap, easily intimidated house help.

22 posted on 11/16/2006 9:51:19 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Martin wants to point out that if it weren't for the icky evangelicals, we'd still have Allen as Senator in Va

I didn't see that in the article. Sabato wants you to believe that, but we know, by now, that he's a demowhore.

The article is really about changing demographics in border regions. For example, fairfax county has an influx of new residents from more liberal Washington and Maryland. These residents are moving because their politics have made their former residences uninhabitable. Unfortunately, they bring their same stupid political beliefs with them. Leftists have a lot of trouble understanding cause and effect.

Richard Pombo had the same problem here in CA. New residents from the liberal Bay Area cost him his seat.

23 posted on 11/16/2006 10:26:12 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Mamzelle

I think what we are seeing in DC (with the election of lott) is the sheltered intelectual snobs trying their take over of the belt way.


24 posted on 11/16/2006 10:54:50 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
We've got Human Events--but what other media does conservatism (and I don't mean the Mel Martinez Non-passionate Conservatism) have? NRO is so effete, sterile and silly sometimes, like some Ivy League College Republican club that tries real hard to fit in with the liberal chic.

Catholics, a few Jews, one secular Anglican...it seems to have missed the attn of NR that evangelicals even exist, much less make up a huge part of the conservative voting base. Although, every once in a while they'll run a story on conservative non-Catholic Christians a la "National Geographic Presents"...usually with a title like, "Evangelicals Might Not Be So Awful" or some such patronizing stuff.

Meanwhile, Obama is flattering a very influential Christian writer and pastor of a very large evangelical church...with some good success.

The GOP and the GOP "intellectuals" treats conservatives, and conservative Christians, like the Dems treat blacks.

25 posted on 11/16/2006 12:39:15 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: longtermmemmory

Ps--I don't think the litterati (sic) are happy with the Lott election. Lott owes no loyalty to Bush.


26 posted on 11/16/2006 12:40:11 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Perhaps evangelicals should stage a mass "talking in tongues" and "falling down on the ground in spasms" rally at the mall in DC?

That would show them.


27 posted on 11/16/2006 3:19:10 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Libertarians are more conservative than pubbies. Strictest interpretation of the constitution,)
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To: Mamzelle

Who's Jonathon Martin?


28 posted on 11/16/2006 3:24:21 PM PST by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Mamzelle
Hmm. I just read the article and I think there is a certain distortion to your summary that seems intended to rile folks up.

Very interesting.
29 posted on 11/16/2006 3:25:05 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: TitansAFC
"1.) Without us, the Dems would have all three Houses and permanent supermajorities."

No, without you, we would have attracted a lot more votes that were otherwise driven to the other side.

I myself almost did not vote because of religeous nutjobs. The day of voting, I held my nose and decided to do it one last time. And I was one of the 537 Volusia county voters who put W over the top in 2000. Stood on a street corner with a W sign during the recount. Poll watcher, and member here since 1997.

If you nutjobs are still around next election, I might vote dem.

BTW, when you respond, please fall on the floor and talk in tongues, nutcase.

30 posted on 11/16/2006 3:25:08 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Libertarians are more conservative than pubbies. Strictest interpretation of the constitution,)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Oh good. I'm not the only one that noticed.


31 posted on 11/16/2006 3:26:06 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Mamzelle
Does he even mention religion or evangelicals? It looks like his point is that the GOP lost because it didn't have a style that could appeal to suburbanites:

Much like Davis, Oliver says Republicans don’t need “to abandon their conservative philosophy” to win in places like St. Louis and Fairfax County, they just need to talk to these suburbanites where they are.

You may see that as just code words, but if you take it on its face value, there is some truth in it. I don't know about Missouri, but it looked to me like Allen was trying to play a "good ol' boy" card that he didn't really have and didn't have to play to win, and that cost him the election. The next winning Republican will be more able to juggle the substance rural voters want with a style that won't grate on suburbanites.

32 posted on 11/16/2006 3:35:38 PM PST by x
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To: MonroeDNA
No, without you, we would have attracted a lot more votes that were otherwise driven to the other side.

You live in a dream world. Half of the house dems were elected as social conservatives. Your opinion of religion notwithstanding you don't know much about the recent election or the demographics of the current republican party.

To be blunt, the republican party can not win anything without those evil religious types.

33 posted on 11/16/2006 3:39:33 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: The Old Hoosier
Davis, himself a moderate, pointed out that his wife, a Fairfax state senator, and neighboring Rep. Frank Wolf (R.), both pro-life, get elected thanks to thousands of moderate suburbanite votes.

"I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth." - - Revelations 3:14, The New American Bible, Saint Joseph Edition

(By the way, the literal translation is actually "vomit", not "spit".)

34 posted on 11/16/2006 3:43:05 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MonroeDNA; Jim Robinson
"No, without you, we would have attracted a lot more votes that were otherwise driven to the other side. I myself almost did not vote because of religeous nutjobs. The day of voting, I held my nose and decided to do it one last time. And I was one of the 537 Volusia county voters who put W over the top in 2000. Stood on a street corner with a W sign during the recount. Poll watcher, and member here since 1997. If you nutjobs are still around next election, I might vote dem.

The last time I checked FreeRepublic was still Conservative and Pro-Christianity. Maybe you think your 1997 sign-up gives you immunity to trash Christians. Maybe you're right.

35 posted on 11/16/2006 3:59:11 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Elpasser
If it weren't for the evangelicals, we'd be living in a Socialist Sweden.

The way the democrats are acting we will be as soon as they take over Congress.

36 posted on 11/16/2006 4:01:04 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: Mamzelle

I still can't believe a Muslim was elected in this country post 911.


37 posted on 11/16/2006 4:01:31 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
He's a writer on NRO, known for being a writer on NRO--their masthead is made up of fragile urban conservatives of the blueblood tradition. Probably Ivy League with a red bowtie.

Before the election, the NRO had CATO expressing its distress at the social conservatives. Now, post election, we're once again the rube in the room.

And Polly--I've follwed NR for decades, all through the Buckley years when it was a largely lachrymose publication, but the only game in town. The religious right took the GOP from being "principled", idle, moribund, tea-sipping losers to being the vigorous Reagan party in power--and the NE purebreds never got over the embarrassment.

This Martin stuff is in a long line of NR's sterile expressions of distress over having to deal with a rural Protestant tradition.

38 posted on 11/16/2006 5:02:43 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: pollyannaish

see 38


39 posted on 11/16/2006 5:09:03 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: pollyannaish; Mamzelle
Hmm. I just read the article and I think there is a certain distortion to your summary that seems intended to rile folks up. Very interesting.

pollyannaish, you're right.

Mamzelle, you write very well. And you're quite the provocateur (provocateuse?).

Who are you? Ann Coulter?

40 posted on 11/16/2006 5:16:41 PM PST by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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