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Fear not, smart women
Washington Times ^ | 11/16/06 | Shelley Widhalm

Posted on 11/16/2006 7:07:33 AM PST by qam1

Those who say that men don't like women with brains and careers are misleading women, says New York columnist Christine B. Whelan, author of "Why Smart Men Marry Smart Women," published this year.

Ms. Whelan, 29, says she wrote the book, in part, to respond to New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd's claim in her 2005 book "Are Men Necessary?" that success decreases a woman's chance for marriage.

"This isn't good news," Ms. Whelan said about reading the book when she was single and had just finished her doctoral degree in economic and social history. "The social scientist in me knew better than to accept this conventional wisdom without doing research of my own."

Ms. Whelan researched U.S. Census Bureau data, commissioned a national opinion survey and conducted interviews with more than 100 high-achieving men and women in nine cities to gather material for her book. What she found was that high-achieving women -- women with graduate degrees and/or an income in the top 10 percent of women in their age group -- married at the same rate as all other women did, but later in life, and that outdated information and misinterpreted statistics had women believing otherwise.

She calls these women SWANS, or Strong Women Achievers, No Spouse

The statistics Ms. Whelan provides in her book show that American women marry by an average age of 30 if they have a graduate degree, the median age for all women to marry is 25, and 90 percent of women marry by 44.

"Ms. Dowd is painting the wrong picture for our generation," Ms. Whelan said, adding that Ms. Dowd was right in saying that prior to the 1980s, it was more difficult for smart, successful women to get married and have children............

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: genx; maureendowd; whelan
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1 posted on 11/16/2006 7:07:34 AM PST by qam1
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To: qam1

"what men like" is diverse because men are diverse.


2 posted on 11/16/2006 7:09:20 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: qam1
She calls these women SWANS, or Strong Women Achievers, No Spouse

Bitches was already taken.

(Easy ladies....just joking)

3 posted on 11/16/2006 7:10:24 AM PST by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; ...
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4 posted on 11/16/2006 7:11:21 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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Strong Women...

The problem with feminism is it tells women they don't need men, and this is a false premise. It is as false as telling men they don't need women.

Men and women are different, complimentary, and should not convince themselves that they are better off independent. We are always better off together.


5 posted on 11/16/2006 7:12:27 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: qam1
I don't know about now, but back when I was redhotmatter, if a man even suspected a girl of intelligence, she needed a new vette and a set of D's to get his attention.
6 posted on 11/16/2006 7:15:39 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: edpc
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Edpc,


Bitches was already taken. (Easy ladies....just joking)


It's OK ...

They absolutely ARE bitches ... and they're alone and successful in the corporate world (without a man) because they're either intolerable to live with, are having sex with every man above them on the corporate ladder, or they're lesbians ...

Let's not mince words here ...


Patton-at-Bastogne

"May God and His Angels Guard Your Sacred Throne, and May You Long Become It."

Shakespeare, Henry V, Act I, Scene II


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7 posted on 11/16/2006 7:18:09 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: edpc

The problem is, many women just don't know the difference between strength and bitchery.


8 posted on 11/16/2006 7:18:46 AM PST by JennysCool
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To: qam1

Despite what that old fool Maureen Dowd says to make her unappealing self feel better, I would say that most men prefer smart women. I know I do. Nothing grates on your skin like being around dumb people all the time.


9 posted on 11/16/2006 7:18:56 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Paloma_55
"Men and women are different, complimentary, and should not convince themselves that they are better off independent. We are always better off together."

That's a down to earth way of looking at it.

By the way, I like your about page "Common Sense Conservative".

I like to think of myself as a Realist Conservative.

10 posted on 11/16/2006 7:19:16 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: qam1
I am personally very attracted to "smart women". However, the only smart women that do it for me are solid Christian women who I also find attractive.

Attractive or smart women without strong morals can truly repulse me when I think of dating or marrying such a person.

I'm glad my wife-to-be meets all of that criteria!
11 posted on 11/16/2006 7:19:35 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: Paloma_55

"Men and women are different, complimentary, and should not convince themselves that they are better off independent. We are always better off together."

Absolutely correct. And in total opposition to what the social scientists want you to believe. Men and women are the same in their eyes, the only difference being socialization, (this is stupid beyond words).

I sympathize with young men these days. Many women have bought into the liberal dogma, and believe men and women are the same, and many women are out to prove they are better men than the men they date.

I'm glad I'm married and out of that dating pool.


12 posted on 11/16/2006 7:21:28 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: qam1
I was in a meeting last year with one particular career woman who is particularly known for an abrasive personal style, which she justified by saying "if a man did that, you'd just say he was strong, but if a woman does it, she's a bitch".

You know the type. Their male counterpart is that type we refer to as "assholes", but I digress.

At one point in a meeting she had been acting particularly misandrystic with some of the other women in the gathering, and she came out with that old canard bemoaning her life, "Where have all the good men gone?"

To which I sweetly replied, "You're too late. They're married to the good women".

13 posted on 11/16/2006 7:21:59 AM PST by Kenton
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my lady had a phd. AND she's smart as well. ther reason that a lot of 'smoart women' can't find a guy is they ther're dumb enough to beleive the feminist agenda. nobody decent is gonna hang around a woman who constantly bashes men, and whines about how bad it is to be a woman.

real smart women are highly attractive to good men. very much so.


14 posted on 11/16/2006 7:22:27 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: JennysCool
The problem is, many women just don't know the difference between strength and bitchery.

Agreed. Many men, too.
15 posted on 11/16/2006 7:22:40 AM PST by HaveHadEnough
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To: Graymatter; All

Well...I have worked in the biotech and medical fields. There are tons of great looking girls in traditional "nerd" positions who have no problems getting dates.


16 posted on 11/16/2006 7:22:46 AM PST by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: qam1
It seems to me the more interesting questions are not whether "success" reduces women's likelihood of marrying simpliciter, but rather whether there are traits that women who are very successful exhibit which make them less likely to marry ceterus paribus than women who do not exhibit those traits.
17 posted on 11/16/2006 7:26:41 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: qam1

Has Dowd considered the possibility that she's a miserable beyotch?


18 posted on 11/16/2006 7:29:28 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: CatoRenasci

"...likely to marry ceterus paribus than women who do not exhibit those traits."

Gee, does knowing Latin make you smarter than someone who doesn't know Latin? Are you in the camp of Teresa Heinz who is of a belief that the more languages you speak, the smarter you are? (Which would make Mrs. Heinz one smart cookie?)

Is English so imprecise and limited that you can't express your thoughts in English? Or are you just trying to telegraph something about your own character traits?


19 posted on 11/16/2006 7:32:25 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: qam1
The article doesn't distinguish between women who are intelligent and women who are in positions of power.

Smart women frequently marry men who aren't as intelligent as they are, but successful women are loath to settle for men who aren't as high on the social or corporate ladder. The higher she climbs, the fewer the romantic options.

20 posted on 11/16/2006 7:32:41 AM PST by Physicist
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