[Dominic Harr]

Please forgive me for the vanity, but I'm very interested in this issue. I'm always fascinated when 'conventional wisdom' is flat-out-wrong. 'Group-think' just fascinates me.

The issue seems so easy to win in a debate. Every single time I chat with someone on the issue, they end up agreeing with me.

[george76]

Support The Troops, Vote Republican

[Former MSM Viewer]

Dont forget the 9000 KIA in one day at Normandy

[.cnI redruM]

Please send this to Ralph Peters. He is the latest and greatest victim of Paul Craig Roberts syndrome.

[Danae]

Viewed on the wide table of history, the War in Iraq and in Afghanistan are BY FAR the least bloody and most utterly overwhelming military campaigns in the history of history.

[Brilliant]

The kill ratio in Afghanistan is 100 to 1 in our favor, yet the libs say we are losing.

[aruanan]

The Iraq War Is a Cake-Walk

Remember, the war in Iraq has been over for quite some time. Saddam's army was defeated. What's going on now is in the same place, but it's not the same conflict.

[2banana]

Subject: Iraq versus Washington

If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

The firearm death rate in Washington, D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.

Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington immediately.

[Alberta's Child]

That was a different world, dude.

You might also point out that the U.S. eventually dropped two atomic bombs on the enemy in that specific example.

Since that ain't gonna happen anytime soon in Iraq, your point is -- well, pointless.

[NYleatherneck]

Cake walk ???

[taxed2death]

....ask some soldier sitting in a Vet hospital with no arms and legs pissing out of a tube if Iraq has been a cake walk.

Opinions differ.

At the very least...it's a bad choice of words.

[newgeezer]

I wonder if the issue isn't the number of casualties, but what and how long it will take to defeat the enemy and win this unconventional war.

[Waco]

Arabs have killed more arabs than we have. They don't care who they harm.

[edsheppa]

The issue seems so easy to win in a debate. Every single time I chat with someone on the issue, they end up agreeing with me

Yeah, I imagine it's pretty easy to convince 7th graders this Iraq War bears a lot of similarity to WWII.

[Red6]

You're completely correct in your views.

It's "all" about perceptions at this point.

Even the nation building is coming along at a pace that is without parallel. How long has it been? 3 years and we are seeing a new Iraqi Army, Constitution, elections, judicial system, operating courts, Police, Saddam is caught, AQ's #1 man is dead, a new currency is in use, real wages have near doubled, infrastructure is largely repaired and oil is flowing.

If you say something long enough, "It's a quagmire", "miserable failure", "another Vietnam", some will believe it. Truth is, viewed from a historical perspective, Germany, France, or South Korea took LONGER to recover after the wars. Germany didn't have a currency until later, their first Army stood up in 1952 (seven years after the war ended), it took longer for them to have a Constitution, their first elections........ It's all about "perceptions".

If people expect that we should have all the infrastructure in Iraq repaired within 3 months of the war, despite Baghdad being a city of 5.6 million and all having A/C in a nation where it gets to 122F, then achieving this in 1.5 years is a failure, even if it was a logistical and engineering marvel! Again, it's a percieved failure.

[SMARTY]

"Yet I even see Rs calling this a 'failed' war, and suggesting we can't win."

You are too right to remark on this. I just finished reading "The Burma Road" by D. Webster and though I read Stilwell's bio earlier, this was truly a grim account and a detailed and exhaustive rendering of everything British/American/Indian/Chinese/Chindits and others had to endure and to accomplish in that theater. I still cannot believe humans are capable of such silent and unheralded sacrifice... but it was done. The exact same effort with nothing like the loss in men and materiel is taking place now in the WOT and American Liberals cannot see far enough past their own noses to understand it for the monumental and history making military and foreign policy accomplishment that it is.

[SAR_Bill]

Cake walk? Why aren't you over there enjoying the cake?
Is Kerry ghost writing your text?

[SF Republican]

We kill more of them than they kill of us. I think THEY kill more of them than they kill of us.

[John Lenin]

Did Jon Carry give you the title to this thread? Kinda dumb if you ask me.

[SoldierDad]

Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. We lost in Viet Nam not because our military suffered defeat, but because of the political war waged here at home. We stand to yet again lose a political war, and by extension the military one as well, if these loud mouths continue providing aid and comfort to our enemies. Our troops, given the ability and time, will win this fight. God Bless each and every one of them.

[EternalVigilance]

Abortionists will brutally, with malice aforethought, kill more Americans TODAY than were killed on 9-11 or in the entire Afghan and Iraq Wars combined.