Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official

AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | October 14, 2006

[Coyoteman]

There are many scientific disciplines that may be used to support the philosophy of history known as "the theory of evolution." As a whole however, the theory of evolution is not science. It isn't even useful as a so-called science. If one wants usefulness and progress out of science, then he should take up intelligent design, without which the universe would be neither useful nor intelligible.

Young earth creationist lecturing us on science ===> Placemarker <===

[freedumb2003]

Oh come on, you could drive a truck through evolution's holes.

Feel free to produce said truck here. I am all eyes.

They teach it like the gospel truth, rather than scientific theory. Thats my only objection.

Yes, like they teach that silly "Gravity" thing -- the Theory not the experience. Do you also object to chemistry and physics?

[freedumb2003]

Calling the theory of evolution a "science" - calling something a thing which it is not - what do we call that? I'll be charitable and call it a "misnomer."

I see you have gone from sophomoric drunken philosophy to flat-out dis- and mis-information.

Well, we all have to evolve, I suppose.

[Da_Shrimp]

As a whole however, the theory of evolution is not science. It isn't even useful as a so-called science

How so? The theory is supported by the evidence.

nayway, as I said, I'm quite willing to entertain the idea of a Divine input, but that doesn't mean that it's the Hebrew God as the source of that input. Could be Brahmah, or Isis for that matter. It worries me that ID can be a mask for Biblical fundmentalism.

[freedumb2003]

But they're more than lies as they are intent on poisoning the minds and spirits of our children with un-Godly thought.

Good thing they now will know that angels hold airplanes aloft and that using this "science" thing is evil EVIL, I tell you.

"Nehemiah Scudder, call on Line One."

[freedumb2003]

It worries me that ID can be a mask for Biblical fundmentalism.

A transparent mask. It is like a glass Trojan Horse.

[Fester Chugabrew]

In most cases, science strictly speaking confines itself to experimentation and observation (both directly and indirectly) on a small scale with the aid of reason as it is applied in particular ways. When matters of ultimate history and causation are induced or deduced, and expressions made regarding the same (i.e. when the bigger picture is presented as with evolution in the wide sense) we are entering the realm of philosophy and exiting the realm of science.

In view of the text of our Constitution it is an abomination to expect the theory of evolution to enjoy an exclusive hearing by law in public schools, regardless of any further implications.

[freedumb2003]

God bless Poland and don't take our atheists here too seriously. They are a very small but very vocal minority.

But the majority of us who UNDERSTAND science and are Christian call on the Poles to reject anti-scientism as a path to destruction. The USA can withstand a generation of willful ignorance and purposeful dumbing-down -- Poland cannot.

[thomaswest]

I like your post.

The quibble I have about "Divine input" is that in order for it to be seen as a valid part of how nature behaves and scientific, there must be some understanding of how and where it happened. Eventually, it has to be measureable.

It is insufficient to wave hands and say God did it. One must be able to say, "ah it happened here at this time, and all the evidence points to it."

The burden for the creationists/IDists is that "God did it" can be used by the uneducated any time they like to "explain" anything they don't understand. Since GDI explains everything, it explains nothing.

[curiosity]

Yes, dumbing down a whole country is certainly the path to riches.

Don't read too much into this statement. It's an outburst by a member of a fringe fundamentalist party that the ruling party stupidly allowed into the governing coalition in order to get a majority. They're paying the price now.

[freedumb2003]

When matters of ultimate history and causation are induced or deduced, and expressions made regarding the same (i.e. when the bigger picture is presented as with evolution in the wide sense) we are entering the realm of philosophy and exiting the realm of science.

Oh, I see you ARE still espousing drunken sophomoric philosophy.

*whew* You have me worried.

[freedumb2003]

Good to know.

And I hope you see your words in my tag :)

[Tribune7]

But the majority of us who UNDERSTAND science

So you believe all life came from single cell via undirected means and that this has been established beyond all argument?

[thomaswest]

we may reasonably infer as much....of man evolving from another species.

What is your objection to inferring in this context?

It seems to me that you would object to historians believing anything. For instance, there is not a human alive with "direct observation" of Julius Caesar. Do you therefore argue that the prior existence of Caesar is a lie?

[Fester Chugabrew]

Although many may label me as a "young earth creationist" I am at heart a "big earth creationist."

[nmh]

"Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies." "

This gentleman speaks the truth. Evolution is a big lie and others are seeing it. No need to taint the minds of children with such nonsense.

[thomaswest]

You espouse a well-known logical fallacy. Namely, that the validity of an idea is to be determined by its utility or usefulness.

One variation of this flawed thinking is the argument that the validity of a proposition is to be judged by its effect on society. Interestingly, this was a favorite argument of communist theoreticians.

[nmh]

"Darwinism is in retreat. The secularists are running."

Very true!

Watch how nasty evolutionists get on this thread. For THEM, evolution is THEIR RELIGION. Never mind that there is NO, absolutely NO evidence to support their HYPOTHESIS. Yes, hypothesis. It's not even a theory by their OWN definition of a theory. Yet that doesn't stop them from touting it now as a "fact". It only goes to show just how far they are removed from reality. Evolutionists live in a fanatical dream world supported by JUNK science.

[stultorum]

"They are a very small but very vocal minority.

Thank God they are few in numbers.

I will admit, though, that they're very fanatical in that they redouble their efforts and give solidity to their "theory" when they see it falling apart with each passing day.