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Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol
Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.
WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."
"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.
Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."
The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.
Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.
"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."
The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.
The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.
Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.
A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.
I confess I do not know where you are going with this argument. Are you saying that Judge Jones was unphilosophical, unlawful, unscientific? Please elucidate.
Its not just intellectual laziness, its totally unsound theology.
A god who is constantly tinkering with and patching up his handiwork is hardly worth worshipping and is an idea considered sacreligious in most faiths.
And he also sells poison milk to schoolchildren.
They will go far, these Poles! :-)
Can someone explain to me why the anti-evolutionist kooks are such shameless liars? I just don't get it.
It's a dirty job doing what some consider God's work, and someone has to do it. They just can't come right out and say they deny reality and support an alternative irrational universe, so they have to try to say there is evidence where there is none, lie about any evidence they don't like, and pronounce that scientists are involved in a vast conspiracy to dupe the world. It's actually almost insane. But it's all accepted as reasonable argument on some places on the Internet.
I disagree that we nasty "evilutionists" get on these threads merely to give you heartburn.
But I think you raise a good question. Why does anyone spend time in debating points that will not change many opinions? I note that over the last years, several IDists have left to accept evolution. I am unaware of any evolutionists who left to become IDists. No matter, these are meagre numbers.
Everybody who posts could have more fun making love or looking out at the sunset (just had a spectacular one here--and it increases my admiration for natural processes and encourages me that unnatural or "super"-natural 'explanations' are less beautiful).
Maybe there is an element of self-identity or a concern that our outlook on the world needs to be validated?
To me, evolution is a beautiful way of understanding how nature works and how we got here. For creationists, some kind of "divine" action seems to them most beautiful.
I am missing something in understanding. Any ideas?
I am missing something in understanding. Any ideas?
Most evolution supporters I know post here just to not entirely abandon FR to the reality denying irrational anti-science religious fanatics...to show whoever might read these threads on FR that not all conservatives are like this. Lately, it's been a loosing battle. FR will show the world the face it chooses to show the world.
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That it will, and it will NOT be a secularist face.
"The heavens declare the work of God; The skies proclaim the work of His hads" - Psalm 19
I think you have agreed that "God did it" is inadequate, because this is an argument from ignorance, which you reject on philosophical grounds.
In my earlier post, I suggested that repeatable, verifiable evidence of a supernatural/unnatural force would make this force natural, by definition, and thus dethrone gods.
There is another notion, namely, that gods or God can intervene willy-nilly changing everything according to their whim and omnipotence. It seems to me that this notion would destroy every concept in objective reality, methological determinism, and usual common sense.
But this view of an invisible, supernatural deity intervening randomly from time to time according to pleasures, and who is impervious to cause and effect, seems impossible of scientific examination.
I have. A lot. I was reading about it when the "Creation Science" proponents morphed into the IDers when nobody bought their idea that you could turn religion into science by sticking the word "Science" after it.
ID is interesting as philosophy. But as a scientific theory I have yet to see anything scientific about it; thus, it's lack of place in any science curriculum.
That it will, and it will NOT be a secularist face.
Supporting accepted science is not secularist. Supporting reality denying religiously based anti-science positions is politically and intellectually foolish and self detructive. And it has been for a few hundred years.
OK. How about this one then?
Site: Nariokotome, West Turkana, Kenya (1)
Discovered By: K. Kimeu, 1984 (1)
Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.6 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal & radiometric data (1, 4)
Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7, 10), Homo erectus ergaster (25)
Gender: Male (based on pelvis, browridge) (1, 8, 9)
Cranial Capacity: 880 (909 as adult) cc (1)
Information: Most complete early hominid skeleton (80 bones and skull) (1, 8)
Interpretation: Hairless and dark pigmented body (based on environment, limb proportions) (7, 8, 9). Juvenile (9-12 based on 2nd molar eruption and unfused growth plates) (1, 3, 4, 7, 8). Juvenile (8 years old based on recent studies on tooth development) (27). Incapable of speech (based on narrowing of spinal canal in thoracic region) (1)
Nickname: Turkana Boy (1), Nariokotome Boy
See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=38
You obviously take a narrow view about what is beautiful and what is needed for faith. Are facts threatening to your faith?
Particularly clueless and tasteless thing for a Pole to say, considering that the world's most famous vegetarian, Mr. Godwin's Law himself, Adolf Hitler, had a bit of "fire inside him" for Poland.
nmh, post #115: When I run across ignorant people like you ...
Seems like you are the one getting nasty.
Perhaps if you could produce some evidence for your position it would help?
Perhaps you could also address some of the points I made in post #92.
Later read.
"They got the fire down below" placemark
What great timing. Here's a post that provides a good example of what I was talking about in post #107.
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