Foley Setup? - Part V - Uncovering the Conspiracy

Macsminds ^ | 10.04.06 | Macranger

[Perdogg]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a political conspiracy unravel as fast as this one that involves former representative Mark Foley.

Let’s recap.

1. On September 29th Foley is approached by ABC NEWS about salitious Instant Messages with a former page and abruptly resigns. Four days later he turns himself into rehab.

2. Through investigation by several bloggers, including yours truly, it is discovered that during the last few years, liberal watchdog group CREW may have had specific knowlede of the IM’s existance, and of Foley’s activities, and might have possibly been in possession corospondence between Rep. Foley and former page(s). Additionally a known “Republican Gay Outer”, Mike Rogers of Blog Active was found to have materially participated in the IM messaging of Foley and admitted to have been on a “campaign” to out Foley since at least as far back as March 2005, and specifically attempted to threaten Foley in January 2006, thus may be guilty of using threat or intimidation to influence a US Congressman’s vote on US legislation.

Yesterday Gateway Pundit uncovered that Mike Rogers had an a “partner” (although not known to be an accomplice at this point) in John Aravios of America’s Blog in a campaign against Foley as well. Gateway Pundit notes that there is no evidence that Aravios actually had specific evidence, but then holding evidence, and having knowledge of someone holding it are still crimes.

World Net Daily picked up on the story here, and puts together nicely what appears at this point to have been an orchestrated effort on the part of several leftwing activists to “pull the trigger” on this story just prior to midterm elections.

Additionally, while Mr. Foley appears by his resigning to have admitted to participating in IMing and emailing former pages, it’s not clear if all the recorded IM’s are authentic. The FBI, which is looking into the matter, as I mentioned here, will use specific forensic analysist to determine if in fact the corospondence discovered so far is in fact valid. Already it has been discovered that several IM’s may have in fact been tampered with.

At this point it’s not know the full involvement of those - or of others yet to be discovered - is. However, I do know that the specific focus of the FBI at this point is to determine who knew about Foley’s activities, when they knew it and specifically who withheld evidence in what may be a Federal Crime. Yet like in many investigations, there is sometimes the uncovering of other crimes that takes place. It should be said at this point that the attempt to attempt to extort or influence, or threaten a US congressman, in order to infuence legislation, or an election is a Federal Crime, and if in fact principals were involved in such an orchestrated plan it will be discovered.

Again, I must point out that even as a constituant of former respresentitive Foley, I detest his actions, and do not condone and accept them in anyway. In fact I support his prosecution if applicable laws have been broken. But again, those who particpated before the fact in the “outing” of Foley, seem to have had at this point specific knowledge of his activities and if proven at the least are guilty of conspriracy to withhold evidence, and obstruction of justice.

We shall see as the day(s) progress.

[jrooney]

I could care less that Foley was outed as Gay. I care that he was invloved in IMs of explicit nature to teens, thus probably being a sexual predator. If Foley commited a crime, he should be prosecuted. IF DONKS HAD IMS FOR YEARS of this sexual predatory nature but sat on them, thus potentially putting pages at risk, that needs to be exposed. Vast majority of freepers want the truth, only a few do not. In this case the masses are not the asses.

[whirleygirl]

"Not if every statement is prefaced by, "Foley is a dirtbag and his behavior will not be tolerated on either side fo the aisle"."

I'm just concerned that the only word that'll stick is the BUT that follows that statement. In many ways I don't care what the Republican party does to itself. I'm not one. I've never belonged to a party and am surely not seeing anything these days that would convince me to do so now. All I want is honest people with good ideas that I can vote for.

[Dave S]

I have been told I am on people's buddy lists and I don't use IM.

From what little IMing I have done, you have to choose a screen name. If you havent done that, then its not your account. Someone can put JaneAustin in their buddy list but they cant contact you unless you have set yourself up as JaneAustin.

[Dave S]

The dems quickness to get these ads out indicates to me they were at least tipped off about this prior to late last week

Campaign ads can be cranked out in less than a day. I dont think their airing now proves anything.

[KJC1]

A little over 30 days and you want to try to explain to the American people that it was the Dems that made Foley do it

This part alone tells me you do not get it.

I think it's time for you to move on from this discussion because you are either being wilfully obtuse or you are just running interference.

[jrooney]

But donks holding onto IMs for years, allowing a sexual predator to harass pages, when the GOP did not know about this, but the donks did, is not screwing up? Wow!!! I will repeat by your continue trying to dissuade freepers and asking people to move on, YOU HAVE ALTERIOR MOTIVES AND THE GOP STAYING IN THE MAJORITY IS NOT IT.

[elc]

Yes, that is what I meant by "attempting"

But that was not the original argument I replied to - the original poster I replied to made reference to lack of actual physical contact. I was saying, or at least I thought I was, that just attempting to meet up with the person, whether showing up at their house, rendezvousing with them somewhere was enough for criminal charges.

[jennyjenny]

Not buying it.

[Dave S]

IF DONKS HAD IMS FOR YEARS of this sexual predatory nature but sat on them, thus potentially putting pages at risk, that needs to be exposed. Vast majority of freepers want the truth, only a few do not.

First of all you have to prove that actual congressmen knew something other than they could see Foley sniffing after every male page he could find. Low level political hacks have no legal responsibility to do squat with the information. CREW actually gave it to the FBI several months ago and FBI decided there was nothing criminal. If it makes you feel better to know that you have been out manuevered by Dem pranksters have at it. Congressional candiates have more important things to deal with, like getting elected. And saying the Dems made me do or the Dems are just as bad as me dont cut it.

[jrooney]

With your logic, you HAVE TO PROVE HASTERT KNEW THIS WAS GOING ON. Goes both way pal.

[jrooney]

DaveS is doing his best to make Hastert, the GOP leadership in Congress, us freepers out as the stupid ones looking for conspiracy theories, whereas Pelosi, Reid, et al and their minions as being too intelligent to be involved in this.

That type of logic, making his party and fellow freepers the ignorant ones, yet defending the party of jackasses, makes it abudently clear DaveS is running interference. Gigs up DaveS. You must be a donk. You must be from the party of the jackasses and you are trying to deflect attention from the truth being exposed. I am calling you out on it now. Whom are you working for Howard weenie Dean? The Clintoon war machine? Somebody but the GOP.

[Dave S]

YOU HAVE ALTERIOR MOTIVES AND THE GOP STAYING IN THE MAJORITY IS NOT IT.

Go attempt to read someone else's mind. Apparently you are not very good at it. I want the GOP to do what will get them elected, not waste time on this crap. Trying to create moral equivalency between low level political tricksters (if you can find them) and Hastert, Shimkus and others in actual leadership isnt go fly. All talking about this does is help keep the issue alive. The Dems and MSM are going to do all they can do that. WHy are you helping them?

[airborne]

If Foley had changed Party, all would be forgiven.

[jennyjenny]

But with Hastert it's different? No proof necessary? You sound like Pelosi and Reid.

[Dave S]

Not buying it.

Not buying what Sweetheart? People cant send an email to you without your email address. How the hell do you think they are going to send you an instant message if you havent set that up. Someone cant assign a IM name to you and have an IM arrive unsolicited. If they could advertisers would be doing it to us every day. You have to actively set it up at your end.

[centristo]

if he did have sex with those boys it would be statutory rape. Foley was what, 50 or so and he's hitting on 16-year olds? Sorry, but that's pedophilia. i know what you're trying to say, that 16 is old enough to know better or whatever, but the law is the law. what would u call it if Foley was sending these IMs to 16-year old female pages?

[Wild Irish Rogue]

" Two males hitting on each other is disgusting - but this is NOT pedophilia! This is homosexuality."
"I've read one of the teens met Foley in a gay bar. 16 year old males don't go to a gay bar because of their selction of imported beers."

Great points.
The kid admits using a fake ID- so, he passes for 21 in some places.
When I was 16- I was almost a man. I worked after school, I drove a car,
I was contemplating joining the military in 24 months.
And like you- I sure as hell knew not to tolerate sexual approaches from some old guy.
I wasn't a child. I could take care of myself.
The media and the Democrats are calling this child abuse- Pelosi was almost in tears talking about Foley and his child victims yesterday.
If you read the kid's responses-he ain't no child and he ain't innocent.

[Dave S]

Gigs up DaveS. You must be a donk.

And you must be a dolt or maybe you are Howard Weenie Dean's son ... a little rebeliious but just as stupid.

[CougarGA7]

I don't want this looked into as an election tactic. I want it looked into because in needs to be ferreted out.

First of all, I don't care a wit about Foley. He resigned, he's gone, and good riddance. I don't want a piece of sh** like that in my party.

But what I do care about is that these IMs were sat on for THREE YEARS. I have a big issue with that, and I want to know why this was not brought out earlier. I want to know who was sitting on these and I do not care what party the person or people belong to. In my opinion whoever the person/people that were holding on this information are guilty of reckless endangerment of a minor, and I want to know who.

[jrooney]

Sorry donk, I am not the one defending the party of jackasses you are. I am defending the GOP, which would not make me Howard weenies son. Once again, your logic is skewed.