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Posted on 09/01/2006 8:57:29 PM PDT by nwctwx
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Yes, I saw. Thank you (and Tilly) again for the info.
I agree that there is an overwhelming predisposition/mandate to compulsion within the Islamic world stemming from the inability to separate mosque and state - - the failure to accept that the kingdoms/governments of men are not extensions of the Kingdom of God.
But while the jihadi factions take theological justification for their hyper-militant "political" or "super-politicized" theocratic Islam from parts of the Koran, it is a grave mistake to assume that is accepted as the case for a billion practitioners throughout dozens upon dozens of different nations, cultures, and historical backgrounds. One has to "choose one's battles carefully".
Islam has long been used (and is being used) as a tool to further personal or national ambitions. Christianity for much of its history spent many centuries in a similarly corrupted deformation - - men assuming a "divine right of kings" using religion and clerics to legitimize their ambitions. From Constantine all the way through the Dark Ages, the Crusades, the "Holy Roman Empire", the Middle Ages, the Inquisition, and then even into the Renaissance and the religious wars within Europe, the Christian faith was exploited to further petty, temporal political objectives. For many historical reasons, Islam has yet to leave these Dark Ages.
There is no moral symmetry in my mind between the Judeo-Christian faith tradition, and the general belief system of Islam. I think that was the very subtle point made in a very unsubtle manner within Benedict's Regensburg lecture. Christianity recognizes the distinction between the temporal kingdoms of mankind and the eternal Kingdom of God ("render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's). Islam in most cases does not accept that distinction.
However, there is a certain moral symmetry between the violent and compulsive manifestations/perversions of Christianity over the centuries (corrupted as it was by both church and state) and modern Islam. Even in our own nation, at its formation, some of the early colonists who had fled the persecutions (and compulsions) of European Christianity, began to compel others in the newly settled American colonies to adopt their own warped views of the Christian faith. Miniature theocracies even appeared and forced new persecutions. Colonial America was not always a "shining city on a hill".
The devil's children tend not to be clothed in the uniform of the "tax collector" or the apparel of the "adultress", and they are not to be found at the local bar or house of ill-repute. The most evil among us typically wear religious garments, and the "sons of Satan" usually hold court in "houses of worship". This has been the case from time immemorial for many faiths. And anyone who has read the words of Jesus knows that is the "gospel truth". Power corrupts. And when men exercise their power "in the name of God", it can corrupt in a way that no power on earth can match.
The conversation Benedict recounted was profoundly ironic because it was set in the days of Ottoman ascendancy (late 1300s) which then began the empire that would last six centuries until Sykes-Picot at the end of World War I. It was a dialogue between one of the final Byzantine emperors and an "educated Persian" (read "Iranian"), discussing the nature of "holy war" and the incompatibility of faith (read "submission to God") with compulsion and violence - - as the Muslim Ottomans were bearing down on the gates of Constantinople.
That dialogue took place in a city about to be conquered in "holy war" (oxymoronic as such a term may be) that was founded 1000 years before by Constantine, a man who changed the course of Christianity by transforming it from a persecuted faith of the catacombs to the state religion of the fading Roman Empire after he witnessed a vision of a cross of light bearing the inscription "in this sign you shall conquer". Christians brought the concept of jihad to the world three hundred years before Mohammed. This was the first call to jihad. And like Mohammed's vision of Gabriel calling him to recitation, Constantine's pseudo-revelation brought unspeakable suffering to humanity for centuries to follow. Indeed, Satan poses as "an angel of light".
So two months before the Pope is scheduled visit to Turkey (the descendants of the Ottoman conquerors and home to the ruins of Constantinople), and as the Muslim world is being radicalized by their own jihadis (led by Persia) who are pushing for yet another civilizational religious war just like the one underway during that first dialogue between the Christian emperor and the Persian, he gives this speech, which is an attack on the idea of conversion through violence that Constantine used to build his city. Profoundly ironic.
But again, the real issue is not the general belief system or theology of Islam, but how it is practiced by its adherents. Most Muslims (almost all) do not believe in offensive jihad, and most do not even believe in defensive jihad as meaning organized violence. Even if a million Muslims worldwide were to come out onto the streets, that means over a billion are going about their lives. Traditional Islam will have to reassert itself and define "jihad" in its generally and historically accepted *non-violent* context (as a spiritual struggle, not a physical one). Like the dialogue between the Byzantine and the Persian, the struggle of "jihad" should be a call to reasoning minds and not a call to severing heads.
So let us see where their "day of rage" leaves us Friday. It took "Christians" over a thousand years to let go of the sword when talking of advancing the Kingdom of God (and in some ways many will still not let it go). I do not expect it to happen in a week's time with "Muslims".
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Pilot Investigated for Entering Restricted Airspace
NEWARK, N.J. -- Federal aviation authorities are investigating why a pilot strayed into restricted airspace in northern New Jersey during President Bush's visit to the United Nations in New York.
Two U.S. Air Force fighter jets on Tuesday had to force the small plane out of restricted airspace about five miles northeast of Morristown Airport, said Jim Peters, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration.
The plane left the restricted area after being approached by the F-16 fighters, and landed at Old Bridge Airport in Middlesex County at about 10:30 a.m.
The pilot, whom authorities would not identify, was released without charges.
FAA investigators will review the circumstances of the intrusion for several days, then discuss their findings with staff lawyers before forwarding to agency headquarters in Washington a recommendation on whether punitive action should take place, Peters said. Pilots who violate restricted airspace can be fined or face loss of their license.
The airspace restrictions are in effect in the New York City area from Sept. 15 to 29 for the United Nations General Assembly, according to the FAA Web site.
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I almost choked on my drink after reading your comment! (laughing). I know, I ventured out of my "comfort zone" looking at links last night, but oh what I learned!
Laughing - I'm ALL thumbs, which isn't any better. A couple of quart sized round planters (like for houseplants) will work fine. Just put a few seeds in each and harvest accordingly, replanting after picking them. Even I can do that (which means you'll do great with it - just remember to water it consistently).
Yep, I understand what you mean about outside the "comfort zone."
In another sign of increasing Muslim intolerance in the U.S., Islamic taxi drivers - primarily of Somali extraction - at the Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport are refusing to accept fares whom they suspect of possibly transporting alcohol.
When I told my hubby about this, he asked if this isn't a case of Muslim's PROFILING their customers?
You're husband is absolutely correct.
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"The United States empire is on its way down and it will be finished in the near future, inshallah"
No, Ahmadinejad didn't say that. It was his buddy Hugo Chavez, who seems all too ready to make common cause with the global jihadists: "Chavez Says U.S. Empire Will Soon Fall, Calls Bush 'Devil,'" from AP, with thanks to Rob:
UNITED NATIONS — The United States will soon lose its place as leader of the world, and the United Nations is a broken organization that is beyond repair, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Wednesday.
“The United States empire is on its way down and it will be finished in the near future, inshallah," Chavez told reporters, ending the statement with the Arabic phrase for "God willing."
Not only Muslims, but also many Arabic-speaking Christians use this phrase, but in context, it is unlikely that Chavez was intending to reach out to Christians.
Posted at September 20, 2006 03:31 PM
WHITEHOUSE.gov - News Release: "PRESIDENT BUSH ADDRESSES UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, United Nations, New York, New York" (SPEECH SNIPPET: "Today, I'd like to speak directly to the people across the broader Middle East: My country desires peace. Extremists in your midst spread propaganda claiming that the West is engaged in a war against Islam. This propaganda is false, and its purpose is to confuse you and justify acts of terror. We respect Islam, but we will protect our people from those who pervert Islam to sow death and destruction. Our goal is to help you build a more tolerant and hopeful society that honors people of all faiths and promote the peace.") (September 19, 2006)
Thanks, I will try that.
Did anyone watch The Amazing Race? There were two muslims in the group of twelve racing on the new season. One of the women on another team went to shake their hands, and they wouldn't........saying we don't shake womens hands.
They got eliminated during the first round. Darn....I wanted to see the reaction of the other passengers when these guys took out their prayer rugs in the airport. Which they did, but the show edited out pretty much of the surrounding area.
The next obstacle that they would have had to do is scale a wall..........ha ha ha with their skirts on!
Cincinatus' Wife has a trove of info here:
Hugo Chavez - Venezuela
various LINKS to articles | April 14, 2002
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I know you watch the Glenn Beck show. He is going to have someone on shortly talking about the Muslims being urged to leave the U.S. because of an imminent threat. Might be interesting.
Hamid Mir on Glenn Beck show right now.
Hamid Mir said al Qaeda had nukes and had not used them yet because they did not have permission from the spiritual advisors until recently. The warning is serious in his understanding.
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I'm pretty sure that's what he said.
Trying to grill salmon as I'm listening and typing. Sure wish I had some fresh spinach for my salad.
THANK YOU very much backhoe for the link.
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Iraqi Documents Rebut the Senate Intelligence Report on WMD.
Pentagon/FMSO website for Iraq Pre-war documents http://70.168.46.200/ ^ | September 18 2006 | jveritas
Posted on 09/18/2006 12:33:19 PM PDT by jveritas
"It was clear that there is another branch committee from the Industrial Committee headed by Dr. Mahdi Shakr Ghali that currently evaluates the researches that cannot be declared (researches with relation to the previous Prohibited Programs) through presenting the Specialized Staff that ask to evaluate its researches, to conclusion related to these researches. This is an important subject and it is dangerous in case this information is leaked one way or another.” Mohamad Hussam Al Amin, Director of the Iraqi National Monitoring Directorate, September 16 1998, pages 63 and 64 from captured Iraqi document CMPC-2003-002284 .
The latest Senate Intelligence Committee (SIC) report released on September 8 2006 was as many expected very biased, inaccurate, and totally political and came up with very wrong conclusions regarding Saddam regime WMD and programs, as well as totally dismissive of Saddam relation with Al Qaeda. The SIC report regarding WMD was heavily dependent on the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) report which was released in September 2004. Unfortunately, the ISG also came to the wrong conclusions that Iraq did not have active WMD programs.
I will address the WMD portion of the SIC report based on the captured Iraqi documents that deal with this issue, and show how these documents do not agree with this report wrong conclusions about Iraq WMD.
The Chemical Weapons (CW) Programs:
There are two very important documents which clearly indicate that Iraq was working on activating the Chemical weapons programs. Document CMPC-2003-013956.pdf dated in the year 2000 and document ISGQ-2003-00044424.pdf dated January 2002 contain memos that talk about finalized research and the plans to locally produce Chemical Materials that can be used as Precursors for Chemical Weapons and that are prohibited by the Iraq to produce locally according to the UN sanctions. Some of the Chemical Weapons Prohibited Precursors include DICYLOHEXYLDIACARBODIIMIDE which can be used as a Precursor to make VX NERVE GAS, SODIUM CYANIDE AND POTASSIUM CYANIDE can be used as a Precursor to make TABUN NERVE GAS. These materials were allowed to be imported under strict UN regulation because it can be used for other civilian industries and that Iraq should have declared exactly the imported quantities of these materials and where it is used and the balance in bi-yearly report to the UN. However Iraq was absolutely prohibited from manufacturing it locally because it will not be controlled by the UN and thus it can be used to produce Chemical Weapons. It is clear from the documents above that Saddam regime was researching and planning to produce these Chemical weapons Precursors in clear violation of UN rules, and with no other intention but to produce Chemical weapons despite that the Iraqi listed some of these precursors under a supposed “pharmaceutical project”.
The Senate Intelligence Committee report did not address these very important documents to show that Iraq was actively working on rebuilding its WMD programs, and planning to produce the precursors to make Chemical Weapons. In fact it would have been more useful for the Iraqis to produce and store the precursors rather than the final chemical weapon products because storing the CW in its final form can deteriorate after a period of time where as the precursors can last for much longer time, ready to be assembled into final CW when needed.
Two other important documents related to the Chemical Weapons programs are ISGQ-2004-00220151 and CMPC-2003-016083 . The first one dated in the year 2001 talks about the successful local production of 50 Chemical Decontamination vehicles to be used the Chemical Battalions of the Iraqi army with plans to build more and the second which is also dated 2001 talks about the local production of prohibited Nerve Gas detectors. Although some may say that these are defensive actions rather than offensive, the production of so many Chemical decontamination trailers and prohibited Nerve gas detectors are not meant to be used solely for defensive action in the Iraq of Saddam Hussein. These decontamination trailers are necessary to escort the Iraqis if they were moving chemical weapons from place to another because in case of a chemical accident these decontamination vehicles must be used. In fact during Colin Powell presentation to the UN on February 2003, he said that the 2002 satellite photos taken recently over Iraq showed presence of these Chemical decontamination trailers which indicate movement of Chemical weapons. Powell said “In May 2002, our satellites photographed the unusual activity in this picture. Here we see cargo vehicles are again at this transshipment point, and we can see that they are accompanied by a decontamination vehicle associated with biological or chemical weapons activity.” The Nerve Gas detectors were prohibited in Iraq by the UN since the Iraqis can use them in an offensive action in case they strike their enemies with Nerve Gas these detectors will be used to warn the Iraqi soldiers if the wind blows back and brings some this Nerve gas they used to attack their enemies.
Again the Senate Intelligence Committee did not mention anything about the production of these Chemical decontamination vehicles or Nerve Gas detectors. The report failed to comprehend and address the obsession of Saddam regime regarding the issue of Chemical Weapons. Saddam regime survived the Iraq-Iran war because it used CW against the Iranians. Saddam regime was totally paranoid and in the mind of Saddam it would had been impossible for him to survive by counting on taking defensive measures if it came to a Chemical Warfare against Iran, or possibly Israel. Saddam regime strongly believed that having the ability to make Chemical weapons was very crucial for the survival of his regime in another future war against Iran because Saddam was always afraid that Iranians can attack anytime if they sense the weakness of his regime or if they realize that he did not possess Chemical Weapons anymore.
The Biological Weapons (BW):
The SIC report concluded that Iraq did not have Biological Weapons or programs related to biological weapons. The center piece of the report (BW) section was the “Mobile Laboratory Vehicles” that the previous intelligence reports indicated it was for Biological weapons production, but later on the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) examined two of the captured mobile labs and concluded it was made most probably for Hydrogen Production, the SIC report adopted the story of the ISG regarding these mobile labs.
Document CMPC-2004-006626 dated November 11 2002 talks about a plan to develop MOBILE LABORATORIES. The document is from a company called Ibn Rushd which is subsidiary of the Iraqi Military Industrialization Commission (MIC) and one of the companies suspected in developing Iraq Biological and Chemical Programs. The ISG report said the mobile labs they captured were manufactured by AL Kindi general company in 2002 not by Ibn Rushd company. The list of instruments required to build Ibn Rushd mobile labs does not indicate that it was used for Hydrogen production. Also if these mobile labs were used to make Hydrogen, it would have been mentioned in the document. The only document that mentions a “Hydrogen Production System” is ISGQ-2004-00220151 in pages 82 and 83 of this document. The document does not mention that this “Hydrogen Production System” was not described as a “Vehicle” or as a “Mobile Laboratory”. The document indicates that the production of this “Hydrogen Production System” was in the year 1997 and it was produced by a collaboration of few MIC companies, but the AL Kindi company was nowhere mentioned as part of this project. Also it is important to note that the original assessment of the military after the capture of the mobile vehicles that it can be used for Biological Weapons production, but it was the ISG who dismissed this original conclusion and adopted the Hydrogen production vehicles theory.
Both the ISG and SIC reports should have examined the Ibn Rushd mobile laboratories document which contradicts the story of the “Hydrogen Production vehicles”.
The Iraqi Nuclear Program.
For sure Iraq did not produce any Nuclear Weapons but the SIC based on the ISG report totally dismiss that Saddam was intending to build its nuclear program. The SIC report when handling the Iraq nuclear issue focuses on two issues that caused a lot of controversy and heated argument in the past three years and still cause it until now. On his state of the Union address President Bush mentioned that the US learned from British intelligence that Iraq was seeking Yellow Cake Uranium from Africa and he also said that Iraq was seeking high strength Aluminum tubes, both an indication of Saddam regime intent to rebuild its nuclear programs and activities.
Also in this case, the SIC also heavily based its report on the ISG finding regarding the Yellow Cake and the Aluminum tubes and concluded as the ISG that Saddam regime did not intend to re-activate its nuclear program.
On the high strength Aluminum tubes, the SIC and ISG reports concluded that these tubes that were captured by the US in 2001 were used as bodies for the 81 mm rockets and not to intended to be used in the centrifuge system for Uranium enrichment. The ISG reported that the very tight tolerances of these tubes were based on a decision made after a technical committee meeting in late 2000 to enhance the performance the 81 mm rockets. According to the ISG report Iraq used to import 81 mm Aluminum tubes before 1991 from Italy but with looser machining tolerances than the one they wanted to implement after the September 2000 technical meeting. However some of the documents contradict the ISG conclusion and analysis.
CMCP-2004-004404 shows a bid request from the Iraqi Military Industrial Commission (MIC) dated November 1999 to import 50,000 of these 81 mm Aluminum tubes with the same very tight tolerance that the ISG reported it was agreed upon after the September 2000 meeting i.e. 10 months after the bid request. Page 4 of the document shows the dimensions of the high strength Aluminum tubes with the very tight tolerances and page 10 of the documents shows that one of the bidding Iraqi firms complained that the “tolerances are to strict to meet” and it is “exceeding the stipulation of American standards”. Also the 1999 bid ask for 900 mm length tubes where as the length of the 81 mm rocket was 862 mm, so if the tubes were made for 81 mm rockets why the 1999 bid did not specify 862 mm length instead of 900 mm and save the agony and time consumption of machining the length down from 900 mm to 862 mm.
Document ISGQ-2003-00000875 indicates that Iraq had local production of the 81 mm bodies in the year 2002 with looser machining tolerances than the ones in the 1999 bid and the September 2000 technical meeting. It is clear that the Iraqis thought in 2002 that the looser machining dimensions are OK to be used for the bodies of the 81 mm rockets and the question is why they requested much stricter machining tolerance in the 1999 bid to import these tubes. Even the ISG had difficult time explaining why in 2002 the Iraqi accepted looser tolerances to make the Aluminum tubes bodies for the 81 mm rockets.
Document ISGQ-2003-00001019 contains a secret and personal letter dated December 2000 addressed by the Director of Al Rashid company an MIC firm to the head of MIC telling him about the production of the bodies for the 81 mm rockets. This letter indicates that the Iraqi were producing the 81 mm rockets as early as the year 2000 so their attempt to import Aluminum tubes for 81 mm rockets does not make sense.
In regards to the Yellow Cake story the ISG uncovered one Iraqi document which showed that an Iraqi was approached by a person from Africa in 2001 who offered his service in providing Iraq with Uranium from the Africa but the Iraqis told the African man that because to the UN sanctions Iraq cannot accept his offer.
Document ISGQ-2003-00000813.pdf shows that the Iraqi were working on producing TANTALUM COATED GRAPHITE as part of research activities for the year 2002. The Graphite coated Tantalum to create a highly corrosion resistant surface for graphite. Tantalum coated Graphite was totally prohibited for use in Iraq according to the UN since it falls under the prohibited nuclear activities and since one of the few applications of this Tantalum coated Graphite is to be used with the highly
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"West Bank: NIS 6 million seized"
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Israeli forces raid money changers' offices in Jenin, Nablus, Tulkarm, Ramallah. Security establishment sources say funds were intended to serve terror organizations in executing terror attacks; three Palestinians arrested
Efrat Weiss
Published: 09.20.06, 09:01
IDF forces, Shin Bet, and police forces raided central Palestinian cities early Wednesday, in an operation directed against 14 money changers that were pouring funds to terrorist activities.
The Palestinian money changers were suspected of transferring funds from Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hizbullah posts in Syria and Lebanon to terrorist organizations in the West Bank and Gaza.
The majority of the money come from Iran and was intended for financing terror attacks, purchasing weapons and explosives, training terrorist cells, assembling explosive belts and car bombs, and manufacturing Qassam rockets."
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Combatting terrorist financing the old-fashioned way...
Israeli forces raid money changers' offices in Jenin, Nablus, Tulkarm, Ramallah.:
IDF forces, Shin Bet, and police forces raided central Palestinian cities early Wednesday, in an operation directed against banks and money changers. About NIS 10 million (USD 2.3 million) were seized during the simultaneous operation in Jenin, Nablus, Tulkarm, Ramallah.
According to Palestinian reports, five money changing posts were destroyed. In Nablus, the operation focused on one of the banks in the city.
According to defense sources, the funds were intended to serve terror organizations in executing terror attacks. Three Palestinians were arrested.
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Soldiers Find Three Weapons Caches in Baghdad
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Sept. 20, 2006 – U.S. soldiers from Multinational Division Baghdad have found three weapons caches and captured six suspected terrorists in and around Baghdad since yesterday.
Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 89th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, found a large weapons cache during a dismounted patrol southwest of Baghdad around 2 p.m. yesterday. The cache consisted of 100 155 mm artillery rounds with trip wires, 1,000 7.62 mm sniper-rifle rounds, two burlap bags containing rockets, and an unknown amount of bomb-making materials.
Earlier yesterday, soldiers from 4th Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, seized a weapons cache from the septic system of a resident’s home in northern Baghdad around 11:55 a.m. The cache consisted of an AK-47 assault rifle, a 9 mm pistol, eight fully loaded AK-47 magazines and two Russian-made hand grenades.
A day earlier, an Iraqi citizen’s tip led soldiers from Troop B, 1st Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division, to the discovery of a large weapons cache and the apprehension of six suspected terrorists in southeastern Baghdad around 6:40 p.m. Sept. 18.
A concerned Iraqi citizen told the soldiers that terrorists attempted to kidnap civilians in front of his residence. The soldiers then saw a suspicious vehicle speeding away from the area. The vehicle was stopped at a nearby Iraqi police checkpoint and searched, revealing an AK-47 assault rifle.
Soldiers then conducted a detailed search of the area and seized weapons caches consisting of 30 rocket-propelled-grenade rounds, four RPG launchers, a 60 mm mortar tube, seven 82 mm mortar rounds, three flash-bang grenades, a fragmentation grenade, two PKM machine guns, two AK-47 assault rifles, a PPSH machine gun, two SKS assault rifles, a PPSH drum with ammo, two drums of 7.62 mm ammunition, 18 loaded AK-47 magazines, 2,000 rounds of 7.62 mm ammunition and various bomb-making materials.
The six suspected terrorists involved in the incident were detained for questioning.
As of Sept. 18, Iraqi security forces and Multinational Division Baghdad soldiers have cleared about 70,000 buildings, 60 mosques and 50 neighborhoods, detained more than 107 terrorist suspects, seized more than 1,300 weapons, registered more than 750 weapons, and found 34 weapons caches in support of Operation Together Forward. The combined forces also have removed more than 126,811 cubic meters of trash from the streets of Baghdad.
(Compiled from Multinational Corps Iraq news releases.)
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