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Katherine Harris: God Didn't Want Secular U.S.
NewsMax ^ | 27 August 2006

Posted on 08/27/2006 7:01:21 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher

U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws."

The Florida Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.

Harris made the comments - which she clarified Saturday - in the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention, which interviewed political candidates and asked them about religion and their positions on issues.

Separation of church and state is "a lie we have been told," Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."

"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris said.

Her comments drew criticism, including some from fellow Republicans who called them offensive and not representative of the party.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., who is Jewish, told the Orlando Sentinel that she was "disgusted" by the comments.

Harris' campaign released a statement Saturday saying she had been "speaking to a Christian audience, addressing a common misperception that people of faith should not be actively involved in government."

The comments reflected "her deep grounding in Judeo-Christian values," the statement said, adding that Harris had previously supported pro-Israel legislation and legislation recognizing the Holocaust.

Harris' opponents in the GOP primary also gave interviews to the Florida Baptist Witness but made more general statements on their faith.

Harris, 49, faced widespread criticism for her role overseeing the 2000 presidential recount as Florida's secretary of state.

State GOP leaders - including Gov. Jeb Bush - don't think she can win against Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in November. Fundraising has lagged, frustrated campaign workers have defected in droves and the issues have been overshadowed by news of her dealings with a corrupt defense contractor who gave her $32,000 in illegal campaign contributions.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; churchandstate; congress; congresswoman; firstamendment; florida; foundingfathers; god; harris; katherinrharris; secular; wallofseparation
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To: an amused spectator

That's how her words read, however you try to spin it. If she didn't mean it, fine - she needs to come out and say so.


61 posted on 08/27/2006 12:46:12 PM PDT by retMD
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Methinks it's you that's lost sight of the Constitution.

I've debated the meaning of the Founding documents for many years here on FR. I can see by your post that I won't learn anything new about those documents from you - though I might learn a little Sophistry.

This strawman "It says absolutely nothing about the United States being officially Christian" proves my point succinctly. Any newbie Constitutionalist knows that.

You're dismissed. Don't bother me with your nonsense any longer.

62 posted on 08/27/2006 12:56:54 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Hezbollah: Habitat for Humanity with an attitude)
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To: retMD
That's how her words read, however you try to spin it.

I'm pretty sure that's your opinion.

63 posted on 08/27/2006 12:57:55 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Hezbollah: Habitat for Humanity with an attitude)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
PS - obviously metaphysics is NOT your strong suit:

"You're not my Creator so your opinion as to when or why the Creator nullifies anyone's unalienable rights is as big a mystery to you as it is to me."

These things WOULD be a mystery, wouldn't they? **snicker**

;-)

64 posted on 08/27/2006 1:00:20 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Hezbollah: Habitat for Humanity with an attitude)
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To: an amused spectator
From the Barbary Treaty, signed at Tripoli, Nov. 4, 1796, ratified June 10, 1797:
ARTICLE 11. As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
The United States has always been a secular nation. A look at the religious wars in European history give ample explanation why.
65 posted on 08/27/2006 1:09:31 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24
Barbary Treaty
66 posted on 08/27/2006 1:10:36 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: an amused spectator

It's not a strawman when Katharine Harris explicitly warns people against voting for people who aren't Christian, because we would "legislate sin."


67 posted on 08/27/2006 1:10:40 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Aussie Dasher

-The Florida Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.-

Indeed, you can't argue with facts. Oh, wait, lefties can and will.


68 posted on 08/27/2006 1:18:11 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: jude24
I'm trying to figure out, with little success, where I EVER posted anything about Christianity on this thread.

I'll repeat - one of the two Founding documents that matter specifically names the Creator as the giver of our Natural Rights, and all that flows from that gift.

Speculate about secularity all you want. The Creator stuff is right there in the Declaration.

69 posted on 08/27/2006 1:28:55 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Hezbollah: Habitat for Humanity with an attitude)
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To: HostileTerritory

I've got to cruise off and get some work done, but I'll get back to this post - fear not.


70 posted on 08/27/2006 1:29:50 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Hezbollah: Habitat for Humanity with an attitude)
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To: an amused spectator
Your post reveals your ignorance.

Why are you on a Constitutionalist site if you neither understand nor wish to understand the U.S. Constitution?

I have it right here. What part do you need help with?

71 posted on 08/27/2006 1:32:50 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death)
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To: an amused spectator
The Creator stuff is right there in the Declaration.

Irrelevant. The Declaration of Independance is of no legal value. The Constitution - which prohibited religious tests in Art. VI, Paragraph 3 - and the Barbary Treaty are controlling.

And, as any first-year Constitutional law student can tell you, once a treaty is ratified, it trumps even the Constitution unless it is annulled - which the Barbary Coast treaty has not.

The United States has always been, and always will be a secular nation.

72 posted on 08/27/2006 1:33:56 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Basically, atheists are NOT endowed with inalienable Rights."

A more compelling reason to keep religious nutjobs from political office could not be found.

Are you kidding? Let's round us up all them thar Heendoos and Boodists and kick 'em out! They ain't got no rights on account of they worship a differnt god than the Reel One. I mean, what wuz they thinking? Sheesh!

73 posted on 08/27/2006 1:40:01 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death)
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To: 4Runner
What Harris is saying (as if you did not know) is that atheists in positions of power see only themselves as the final moral authority.

You seem to have an unworkably generous interpretation of her statements. What I got out of it was that Christians are the only people fit to govern and that the rest of us are a bunch of immoral/amoral slobs.

74 posted on 08/27/2006 2:00:32 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: 4Runner

I think you are probably right. Harris is contrasting Christian with secular/atheist. I suspect she is not thinking about other religions at all. They are a small proportion of the US population. When she says Christian, does she mean to exclude devout Jew? I don't think so. My reading of her is that she is approaching Christianity as something very positive that facilitates positive results. She could easily meet and work with a Rabbi and Synagogue - if they would have her. I think that kind of rapprochement, if you'll forgive my french, would be a very good thing.


75 posted on 08/27/2006 2:07:17 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Mohamed was not a moderate Muslim)
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To: an amused spectator

Thanks for the backup. And your comment about another poster's efforts being "sophistic" is right on point. The George Washington quote blew me away. It clearly annihilated the poster's own position.

If I may add my two cents: My understanding of the term "inalienable" is that it also includes situations where, for example, through coercion or ignorance someone compels you to sign a document wherein you agree to "forfeit" your rights under this or that Article of the Constitution. Your signing that document changes nothing. You are still endowed with that inalienable right, whichever it may be, because not even YOU, the possessor, has the power to dispose of that right. That is powerful stuff.


76 posted on 08/27/2006 2:07:44 PM PDT by 4Runner
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To: 4Runner
You are aware that this country has been under siege from atheists and America-haters within its own ranks for quite some time.

Yes, we scary Atheists. Demanding strange, un-American things, like religious neutrality, scientific evidence, and a secular interpretation of the law.

Why are you at this late stage of the game so concerned about the color of the tank the opposition and the reinforcements are riding in while your house is tumbling down around you?

Call me crazy, but we could probably use fewer bigots in government. I know, I know, it's a radical idea but I think it might work.

/sarcasm

77 posted on 08/27/2006 2:12:27 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I agree. Offend the secular jihadists though, at your own risk.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

78 posted on 08/27/2006 2:14:41 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: an amused spectator
Basically, atheists are NOT endowed with inalienable Rights.

You know, I'd argue with you, but it's not worth it. If you're so far gone that you think that the Constitution doesn't apply to people not like you, then there really isn't any help for you at all.

79 posted on 08/27/2006 2:18:06 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: freedumb2003; 4Runner
So for example Jews, Orthodox Greeks, Russian Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Baptist, Episcopalian, all fit the definition of Christian. Or Judeo-Christian if you want to be exact. Atheists do not fit the description. So only an atheist should find Ms Harris' statement offensive or bigoted.

Do you think ANYONE would read that into her statement. That statement was dumber than anything to come out of a politician's mouth since the Dean Scream.

With the exception of the Jews, all the groups mentioned are Christians. Judeo-Christian would include all the groups mentioned.
80 posted on 08/27/2006 2:44:18 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Mohamed was not a moderate Muslim)
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