Plane Crashes in Lexington

WTVQ 36 Lexington ^ | August 27, 2006 | Jon Sasser

[BigBlueJon]

Possible plane crash in Lexington, KY. My brother works security for Lexington UK Hospital and was just called in. No news locally or on major news outlets yet. I didn't want to post anything for fear of being wrong, but he's still waiting for an official call while on stand-by.

Update from WTVQ 36 Lexington:

A plane has crashed near the Blue Grass Airport this morning. No word on details at this time. We are told it was a commercial aircraft. Versailles Road is blocked as emergency vehicles circle around the site. We have live coverage beginning at 7:20am. Stay with Action News 36 for more details.

[BagCamAddict]

You can even see a couple of skid marks in the grass berm at the end of the runway, inside the lower red circled area.

[BagCamAddict]

I think you've totally nailed it. Wow. Especially the part about how they would mentally think "runway at the end of the taxiway, check."

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

You just wish special instuctions were given and re given about the changes, I am sure they were and that was not enough.

it seems obvious to me that the pilot was unsure BECAUSE of the changes.

[ccmay]

always off by 180 degrees.

Almost always.

Inter County Airport, McKeesport, PA

[ccmay]

He gave a reason that he didn't like some weather that he was seeing. Other planes took off and I was wondering what was with this pilot?

The other pilots were probably heading in different directions away from the weather, while your pilot's course would have taken you into a storm.

-ccm

[ccmay]

Still I doubt anyone has written any software, which would also have to know which runway you are supposed to be on, to provide an alarm.

Look for legislators and ambulance chasing lawyers to call for this very thing.

-ccm

[fatima]

(((Hugs))) So sorry gswilder.

[ccmay]

The pilot/ATC relationship is a little like the doctor/nurse relationship.

If the nurse gives the wrong medicine or marks the wrong limb for surgery, the attending physician will take the brunt of the blame and pay for the ambulance chaser's new Ferrari. Likewise, even if ATC directly ordered a plane to fly into a mountain side, the pilot would be the one responsible.

Someone has to be the captain of the ship and be accountable for the actions of the entire team. Legally, the doctrine is known as "respondeat superior".

[freema]

May you have an abundance of strength today.

[jwparkerjr]

I routinely travel a road that is just off the end of one of two north/south runways at Tampa International Airport. When they are landing to the south they come over the road, Hillsborough Ave., at about 100 feet, sometimes less. If memory serves me the required minimum altitude at that point where the approach cross this main east/west road is 18 feet! There is a traffic light just off the end of the runway and it's not uncommon for traffic to be at a complete standstill there when the aircraft are coming and going. I try not to stop there! I watch them pass over and think how unfortunate it would be to be sitting there in traffic when one lands short for fails to abort a takeoff with room left to stop. It's a 10,000 foot runway and the same condition exists, although not to the same extent, on the other end of the runway. I frequently think of the Air Florida flight that had problems with icing on takeoff and killed people on a bridge where it came down.

[jwparkerjr]

I've never heard it pronounced "Ver-sails". Is this just a local adaptation? We have several roads in our area that are not pronounced anywhere near like they are spelled. One road is Bearss Ave., named after a pioneering Hillsborough County family. It is pronounced "Beerce" like the drink ending in c.

[jwparkerjr]

re: Tailwind take-off.... not usually advisable...

Especially when you're about 4000 feet short of runway needed for your weight.

[jwparkerjr]

Wasn't using the wrong runway the cause for the worst aviation disaster in history, at Tennerife (sp?) lots of years ago? Heavy fog and one of the jumbo jets was on the wrong runway? I could be wrong, but it seems to me like that was the scenario.

[BluH2o]

Wasn't using the wrong runway the cause for the worst aviation disaster in history, at Tennerife (sp?) lots of years ago?

March 27 1977 two 747's (KLM flight being one of them) collided on the same runway on Tenerife in the Canary Islands. One aircraft was taxiing the other taking off. Both aircraft had been diverted to Tenerife from landing at the airport on the nearby island of Canaris ... as a result of a bomb scare at that airport.

[OBXWanderer]

That may have been me talking about a pilot in the jumpseat. Turns out the crew of 3 was two pilots and one cabin attendant. (whatever they call stewardesses these days)

Don-o, I may be dreaming, but I also seemed to remember that Conair president in his first press conference mentioning an individual in the jump seat. As you mention, possibly the CA rides that seat on TO/Landing. Although I have had a few flights on CRJ's, it has been awhile, and I can't remember the config. Whatever the head count in the cockpit was at TO, those CVR tapes will be MOST INTERESTING during taxi, checklists, and certainly, after spool-up.

[jwparkerjr]

I was thinking the accident at Tenerife 30 years ago was the result of an aircraft being on the wrong runway, but I looked it up and it was a case of a KLM jumbo jet taking off without clearance and colliding with a Pan AM jumbo that was taxiing down the runway directly toward the departing aircraft. Worst civilian aviation accident in history.

For those who are interested here's link to the transcript of the testimony of the co-pilot of the Pan AM jet. He was one of the very few who escaped uninjured. Very interesting read, a lot of fascinating details that only an experienced ATP would know about.

http://www.tenerifecrash.com/transcripts.htm

Check it out if you're into all things flying like me!

[jwparkerjr]

re: Hard to believe the local television station doesn't have a helicopter overhead delivering live video of the wreckage

My son is a helicopter pilot for the sheriff's office in Naples, FL. He says they immediately declare the area for several miles around such a scene a no-fly zone and won't let anyone, including them in some cases, into the area. It would be even easier in this case because the entire accident scene is withing the restricted area around any airport that's controlled.

[DieHard the Hunter]

> FAA reports 51 deaths.

Requiem eternam dona eis, Domine,
et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Te decet hymnus, Deus in Sion
et tibi reddetur votum in Jerusalem.
Exaudi orationem meam,
ad te omnis caro veniet.

Kyrie eleison.
Christe eleison.
Kyrie eleison.

Amen. So mote it be.
Prayers going up for the families of those who have perished.

[OBXWanderer]

again, it could have been an error from air traffic control

Please refer to ccmay's post#808

[jwparkerjr]

When the FAA put temporary flight restrictions in effect they can make the ceiling as high as they want. The airspace around the airport is controlled airspace so they don't need to worry about that. Under normal conditions, if memory serves me, the Airport Traffic Area extends to 5,000 feet, but I could be wrong. It's been awhile since I had to think about it.

Don't know about now, but in my day the area around the airport would be considered controlled airspace, even if the tower was not in operation at the time of the accident. An airport is controlled airspace by virtue of there being a published instrument approach for the facility, not the presence or operating status of a tower.

Actually, it's VERY involved and if you're not dealing with the regs on a regular basis it's easy to have missed a serious change in the requirements.