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LESSONS SO FAR
New York Post ^ | August 13, 2006 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 08/13/2006 11:29:04 AM PDT by oldtimer2

August 13, 2006 -- ISRAEL'S war against the Middle East's first true terrorist army provides tough military and strategic lessons - old, new, and all too often disheartening. Israel's been winning on the ground. And still losing the war.

Lesson 1: You can win every tactical engagement and still lose at the strategic level.

Lesson 2: The global media can overturn the verdict of the battlefield.

Lesson 3: If you start off on the wrong foot in war, you may never recover your balance.

Lesson 4: Technology alone can't win 21st-century wars.

Lesson 5: Never underestimate your enemy.

Lesson 6: In war, take the pain up front, and the overall suffering will be far less.

Lesson 7: Terrorism is no longer a limited, diffuse, disorganized threat.

Can a military that relies heavily on reserve call-ups win this new kind of war?

Can we win "Eastern" wars with Western values? I doubt it.

This question is going to eat at our consciences for years to come - even as we learn to do what must be done.The wars of the future will be won by those with the greater strength of will. And boundless determination is one weapon that Islamist extremists unquestionably possess.

Do we?

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; hezbollah; israel; lebanon; lessons; ralphpeters; warstrategy
I have condensed this to only the highlights. Peters is asking the questions that we need to be asking. I am not sure we will be able bring all our people to be willing to do what needs to be done. Peters is not sure either.
1 posted on 08/13/2006 11:29:05 AM PDT by oldtimer2
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To: oldtimer2
I'm not sure any one in the West has a full idea of the enemy we're up against. "Compromise" and "Co-existence" are not in his lexicon.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

2 posted on 08/13/2006 11:31:04 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: oldtimer2
Ralph Peters doesn't asks the questions. He makes the usual hysterics and the drama queen Chicken Little's screaming he is known for. Gee sorry If I do NOT have the same blind faith in the Junk Media Never Beens that some of you have. MAYBE the Perpetual Bitchers should wait and actually SEE what happens instead of going into automatic piss and moan and cry mode EVERY time?

Counter Insurgency is different then Total War. This mindless ranting by the Know Nothings on a topic of this complexity is really really getting OLD. Maybe JUST one time we could wait and see what actually goes on ONE time instead of everyone leaping into the same old knee jerk hysterics and Chicken Littlest

3 posted on 08/13/2006 11:34:33 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (History shows us that if you are not willing to fight, you better be prepared to die)
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To: oldtimer2

"Can we win "Eastern" wars with Western values"

i.e. The Clinton/Wesley Clark type of waging war.

i.e. The TRENT LOTT version of Capulation.


4 posted on 08/13/2006 11:34:58 AM PDT by tennmountainman (o)
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To: oldtimer2

Me, I'm a General US Grant and William T. Sherman guy. War is hell. Once commited, get it over with as soon as possible by completely destroying the enemy and his families. Anything less and you lose. We are at war and our people do not have a clue.


5 posted on 08/13/2006 11:39:46 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: MNJohnnie

I found the article informative and very thought-provoking. I must just be stupid.


6 posted on 08/13/2006 11:43:48 AM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: oldtimer2

Good article. He says that "our civilization has been forced into a defensive war to the death with fanatical strains of Islam" but, like everyone else, he isn't very clear about the path to victory over these parasites.


7 posted on 08/13/2006 11:44:39 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: oldtimer2

The fact is that the Israeli leadership started to buckle and agree to a ceasefire after only 4 weeks, even though they were winning!

This type of campaign will take 3 months or so. The true winners are the media who hyped to conflict on TV.


8 posted on 08/13/2006 11:58:18 AM PDT by observer5 (It's not a War on Terror - it's a WAR ON STUPIDITY)
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To: oldtimer2

Let me guess--he's whining? Peters always seems to be on the verge of a nervous breakdown.


9 posted on 08/13/2006 12:14:37 PM PDT by DCMB (Bless GWB and all our troops)
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To: oldtimer2

The UN doesn't represent Western values. Much of the west doesn't, either.


10 posted on 08/13/2006 1:14:43 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Irene Adler
What thoughts were provoked, or better what was informative?

Imagine. You are in your backyard swing. In north Israel, a little village, your well-tended pleasant garden surrounds you. You read this article. Thoughts are provoked. Deep thoughs. Existential considerations. The sirens sound. But these deep thoughts have a lot of inertia. These thoughtful thoughts, they are, well, compelling. You must pause to consider them.

Then an informative Katyuska drops in.

11 posted on 08/13/2006 1:15:21 PM PDT by bvw (Reality sometimes presents itself as what would be literary overkill.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Well, he makes a statement that counter insurgency [at least in identity wars, aka "clashes of civilizations"] is winnable only by the means of total war. After all, the Israelis have been conducting their 'counterinsurgency war' for 60 years by now - and has that war been won?


12 posted on 08/13/2006 2:44:45 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: oldtimer2
We are going to have to learn to fight by the enemy's rules. And we aren't going to like it.

The wars of the future will be won by those with the greater strength of will. And boundless determination is one weapon that Islamist extremists unquestionably possess.

Do we?

13 posted on 08/13/2006 8:15:39 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: MNJohnnie
Peters is a Vietnam private to SFC, then OCS to retired Major, Intel. It's a good combination of years of grunt, then education and command. You might want to rethink your color of his opinions. I'm not aware of any writer/talking head who was up with the Israeli military as he was. I know his report to them will we well appreciated. All true professional appreciate ruthless and brutally frank after action assessment.
14 posted on 08/14/2006 9:28:38 AM PDT by Leisler (Islam is the ROP. I know because the President told me so.)
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To: happygrl

The Islamist will make Pol Pot look like Don Knotts.


15 posted on 08/14/2006 9:30:19 AM PDT by Leisler (Islam is the ROP. I know because the President told me so.)
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