Cool.
See ya in the trenches.
Ought to be fun.
Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith
I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.
This is funny. I wonder if you even know any Muslims. I don't think so. I've known them most of my life and not one ever tried to convert me.
Oh, wait. One time a Muslim woman I worked with and her husband tried to convert me to Amway.
Well, I dont' believe anybody is going to use nukes. Not in the forseeable future, anyway.
Why do you under estimate our enemy?
Oops, sorry Scothia. My reply was meant for Laz.
I don't. But all this talk of "Armageddon" out of Iran is baloney, for internal consumption.
These guys are cowards and they have no more of a desire to be nuked than you or I.
You keep trying to institute a Holy War.
I'm not buying it, and neither is our President. This isn't about the whole religion, no matter how much you would like it to be.
It's also considered bad manners, I'm told, to insult someone by name without pinging them to the conversation. In the future, if you want to make smarmy comments, have the guts to make them to my face.
In a nutshell, this is the problem.
Islam is fighting us.
And some of us are fast asleep.
So, when Tel Aviv is smoldering and Iran is too, what's my payoff?
"I told you so" just ain't cuttin' it for me.
When heads roll in the streets, don't you think that some pet theories and self-rightuous feel good emotions need some critical re-thinking.
"Another soldier said his brother and a cousin were fighting for Hezbollah. "I can't turn a gun on the resistance, because they are family,
"http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1683438/posts?page=20#20
Until you and others grasp that this is in fact the universal condition throughout the Islamic world you are an indirect threat to western civilization and to me and my tribe.
Now, I don't particularly care if your ignorance gets you killed but I sure as hell care if it helps fund and establish a Muslim beachhead to threaten me.
By their words and deeds the Muslims have since their inception made crystal clear their intentions with regard to the rest of the world.
In their scriptures and commentaries the world has two parts, Dar es Islam (that's them) and Dar es Harb (that's everybody else, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist, Ba'hai, etc.)
And Dar es Harb translates to the House of War.
There is no Dar es wishy-washy neutralists in their world view. You will be their servant or you will be dead.
I've made my choice. Time for you to re-consider yours.
And I really think we'll win. Reconsider that!
Cool.
See ya in the trenches.
Ought to be fun.
Where were all the 'innocent Muslims' this week-end protesting the muderous Hezbollah. Here in the DC area we only saw the protest in front of the White House in support of Hezzbollah.
Absent evidence of innocence, I presume that a professed adherent of a creed that through its written scripture and its deeds, from its inception, does if fact subscribe to all of its tenets and does in fact intend to put into effect that creed's overall plan.
Now, there might be a Reform Islam Sect and if there is, perhaps you might point it out to us.
For a college professer you don't seem to care for debating facts, preferring to go to straight name calling, but then again I'm ignorant of your field whatever that may be.
I agree with you. Where is the evidence that most of the world's Muslims are dreaming of death and destruction? Though Islam has a history of violence, I just don't buy that most of its adherents are much different from the other six billion people of the world who simply want to raise a family and live a good life.
Just because you go tilting at windmills doesn't mean the rest of us have to.
Not every Muslim is fighting us. Millions of them are American citizens. Some are even fighting for our freedoms overseas.
What you're advocating is no less than a Christian jihad. No, thanks.
Exactly. The main point of Islam as with all other faiths is to submit to God. Literalists can and do find religious justification for their own pathologies, but I see no evidence that this group constitutes anything close to a majority of Muslims.
Nor was every German and German-American fighting us, in WWII.
What you're advocating is no less than a Christian jihad. No, thanks.
And thusly:
I don't want to believe it, but there is a possibility we are not made of the same stuff as the WWII generation.
They were willing to sacrifice. They were willing to do without, buckle under, and face incredible odds.
They didn't care if someone said something mean to them, or called them a racist because they didn't like Japanese or Germans.
They were willing to take harsh measures against largely-innocent people JUST IN CASE they might commit domestic acts of terror (e.g., Japanese internment).
These were a sterner, more durable, more willing people -- and because of it, they won.
I do not suspect that in this World War, America will win.
If the time ever comes I'm sure all of us will consider the options. But as for now it's not for you to decide which Americans will and won't be covered by the Bill of Rights. My opinion is backed up by U.S. law, yours are separatist.
I know your comment was directed at Laz and only inadvertently to me, but I'll reply anyway.
A while back, while browsing the DVD section of our local public library, a Muslim man tried to "witness" to me after I innocently commented on a movie he was considering. (At first glance, the man looked quite Latino and I am a friendly person.) He got quite loud and forceful about the superiority of Islam and how I should convert; I kept trying to end the conversation before the other patrons were disturbed and a library staffer intervened. Finally I shut him up by saying, "You know, by the tenets of your own religion and culture, you shouldn't be having this conversation with me, a strange woman, in the absence of my husband."
They were willing to take harsh measures against largely-innocent people JUST IN CASE they might commit domestic acts of terror (e.g., Japanese internment).
And they were wrong to do so.
President Reagan said it best - it was a "mistake" to accuse Japanese-Americans (including natural-born citizens) of being dangerous to America just because of their race.
Usually repeating history indicates an ignorance of it. But you seem eager to repeat that mistake on a larger scale.
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