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Can a good Muslim be a good American?
A friend who knows | 8/11/2006 | Agent Smith

Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith

I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.

Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.


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KEYWORDS: crushislam; embarrassingthread; fakeatheist; islam; islamicfascists; islamicnazis; islamisevil; muslim; muslims; peace; rop; trop; war; wot
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To: edcoil

As far as Christ was concerned, He was fulfilling Judaic law. So, to Him, it's still Judaism. Shortly after His resurrection, followers started calling His teachings "The Way". "Christian" was actually a derogatory term that Rome used.


521 posted on 08/11/2006 11:53:53 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Realism

Start by having all Muslims swear allegance to the US Constitution. Of couse, this may not mean much, since Islam allows them to lie to infidels....


522 posted on 08/11/2006 11:54:17 AM PDT by kgrif_Salinas
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To: tacticalogic
Okay.

So, does this mean you recognise a standard of morality and ethics external to the State? That it's not unreasonable (or "theocratic") to place some authority above the State?

Now can you reconcile that with the statement that everyone should be using the Bible?

And where, exactly, did I make that statement? I certainly said that all Christian Citizens should be doing that. But manifestly not all Citizens are Christians. On the other hand, since I believe Christianity to be True, I believe that all people should be Christians. That's a matter for persuasion, though, not legislation..

Given the opportunity, would you codify that sentiment into law?

Not in the United States. The Confessional State (not at all the same thing as a theocracy) doesn't seem to have worked much better where it was tried than the Tolerant State we have here.

523 posted on 08/11/2006 11:55:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Michael Goldsberry
Lieutenant,

Since Jews do not believe that Jesus was the son of God, do you feel that they believe in a different God? I don't mean to straw man you, I'm just asking a question.

524 posted on 08/11/2006 11:55:37 AM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: kgrif_Salinas

"Start by having all Muslims swear allegance to the US Constitution."

What for? Half the people on this board can't honestly do that.

"Of couse, this may not mean much, since Islam allows them to lie to infidels...."

So why do it at all? For a laugh? Nothing they can do is ever going to convince you anyway.


525 posted on 08/11/2006 11:57:20 AM PDT by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Abd al-Rahiim
You disagree with some of what is taught in Islam. That's fine, we live in a free republic.

...... well, we do until your people get us under Sharia law, anyways.

526 posted on 08/11/2006 11:57:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: Lazamataz
If you want to talk about the destruction of freedom, let us start THERE, instead.

Emotional nonsense.

I will fight the implementation of Sharia in this country as hard as I would fight the proposed criminalization of Islam here.

Both concepts are anti-American, and both are evil.

527 posted on 08/11/2006 11:58:08 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Toomba2
Do you know how many monotheistic religions exist? I don't, either. That's why I limited my statements to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, the three largest monotheistic religions. It happens that these three are all Abrahamic.

Your third sentence in your second paragraph contains grammatical errors. I don't know what you're trying to say.

Obviously, the one God of Abrahamic religions is not the same in polytheist religions. I don't contest that. You don't need to apologize.

528 posted on 08/11/2006 11:58:08 AM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: Toomba2
Muslims pray to the God of Abraham, and accept many of the same prophets as Judaism and Christianity, including Noah and Moses, Isaac, Solomon, Jonah, and several others.

Jesus, although not the messiah, is considered a phophet and born of a virgin.

While you may not accept Allah or the teachings of Islam, the concept of the monotheistic God is clearly the same in all three religions.

529 posted on 08/11/2006 11:58:59 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: highball
Emotional nonsense.

Realistic future.

I will fight the implementation of Sharia in this country as hard as I would fight the proposed criminalization of Islam here.

Hopefully it will not be too late.

I'm going to be one of those in the lead of this struggle. Some of my advocacy will rub you the wrong way. I don't care -- we are headed towards a fight for existance.

530 posted on 08/11/2006 12:00:14 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: Ace of Spades

Virtually everyone believes themselves to be exceptional. But, we all lack sufficient distance, to make such an assessment about our own selves rationally, yourself included. You're taking part in the "internet message board" that you condemned as not attracting the best and brightest, having posted many times on this thread alone, and yet the irony of your blanket statement seems to escape you.


531 posted on 08/11/2006 12:00:36 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: kgrif_Salinas
Start by having all Muslims swear allegance to the US Constitution.

Whats that prove? If you take the oath seriously like I do it may mean something, but otherwise ......

532 posted on 08/11/2006 12:02:25 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Not in the United States.

What's stopping you? Doesn't the First Commandment come before the First Amendment?

533 posted on 08/11/2006 12:04:28 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: kabar

Kabar, you're not cliaming that any of those nations provide religious freedom to the degree that America does, are you?

In Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangledash, Egypt, Nigeria and Turkey Christian worship is allowed but those who follow it either do so at their peril or at the least are heavily discouraged.

http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/turkey-church-closed-doors.html
http://www.indonesiawatch.org/eng_wacth.php?news_id=228
http://www.indonesiawatch.org/eng_wacth.php?news_id=187
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2002/14073.htm


534 posted on 08/11/2006 12:05:15 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Lazamataz
Some of my advocacy will rub you the wrong way.

Only when you advocate throwing out the Constitution. Stay away from that, and I'll have no quarrel with you.

535 posted on 08/11/2006 12:05:57 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Hey, sometimes you just know.


537 posted on 08/11/2006 12:06:38 PM PDT by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Abd al-Rahiim
These three religions are all Abrahamic. They hold many of the same prophets in deep respect.

Satan believes in the one true god too - I not following his vision of truth any more than I'm following Mohamed's.

538 posted on 08/11/2006 12:07:11 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: tacticalogic
I already answered that question. Read what I wrote. Ttake your fingers off the keyboard and think about it until you comprehend it.

Then read the whole post. I asked YOU a couple of questions. Answer them.

540 posted on 08/11/2006 12:08:08 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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