Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith
I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.
If you knew about Dearborn, you'd know that their local high school is almost entirely Muslem including the football team. Being a Moslem football player at an all Moslem school does not equate to the kind of evidence I offered you earlier about the people I know.
In any event, this means that there were at least--what? 30-40 other members of their team that are not involved in alleged terror activities.
No. They are civilized because they live in America. It has nothing to do with "us versus them."
There are no "Mullahs" in America.
A small fringe group, militant Islamic fundamentalists, is malevolent.
Still preaching convert or die? What Islamic countries today have that as doctrine or government policy? All of this hyperbole is not helpful. It is pure fiction.
Yeah in the name of tolerance and free speech. I sometimes wonder who is worse, the Taliban or fanatics like you.
Yep. And all these "Constimatooshinalists", it seems, would throw it out the door like yesterday's newspaper.
Shall we call them MINO's? Muslim In Name Only. Do they bow down, face Mecca and pray to the moongod 5 times a day?
LOL!!
What other groups of American citizens should we exclude from other parts of the Constitution?
Agreed; most Muslims, like most Christians or Hindus, or any other religion, are just nominal in their faith. The ones to worry about are the ones who take the Koran seriously.
It's truly amazing. Of all the people who rail about the Constitution, 45% have never read it and another 45% would chuck it when it becomes inconvenient for their purposes.
Well, Internet message boards have never attracted the best and brightest. This place is no exception.
Those Calvinists were running away from Christian countries in which they were persecuted. Catholics came here from countries in which they were persecuted...by other Christians.
America derives no particular virtue from its spot on the globe; it's virtue--whatever virtue it has left--comes from a correct understanding of God.
Once again, you're wrong. America's virtue comes from recognizing that there would be no one particular brand of religious expression, sanctioned by the state. All expressions would be allowed, and none would be persecuted by another.
Failure to understand that some cultures and some religions produce chaos insures that you will be the victim of that chaos.
What other religion would you ban? How about Catholicism? Haven't you heard that we actually eat Flesh and drink Blood on Sundays?
"What about the millions of Muslims who are natural-born American citizens?"
They can either disavow Islam or deport them anywhere that will take them but they can't stay here. Would you allow someone to stay in your house who wants you DEAD?
It's their house as much as it is mine or yours.
Unless and until they commit a crime, natural-born Muslim citizens have as much right to be here as anyone else.
We keep talking about Muslims as though they none of them are US citizens. Millions of them are, so if you're talking about deportation or internment or some other nonsense you're talking about giving the government the power to round up millions of law-abiding citizens.
Citizenship is a privilege not a right.
You are so wrong. Citizenship is a birthright for anyone born in this country. The rights of citizenship are not for the government to withdraw on a whim - one must commit a criminal act to lose those rights.
Unless you're going to start outlawing certain religions, in which case the Constitution would already be moot and you can pass all sorts of crazy laws.
So? It was also just dandy to physically own another human being.
You are not, in your bigotry, going to drive American citizens out of this country who have committed no crimes.
yea, well ask your muslim friends when we'll be able to build a Christian church and/or a Jewish synagogue in Baghdad!
I won't be holding my breath.
I'll never understand why so many people here, on a site devoted to freedom, think that the proper response to tyranny abroad is to encourage tyranny in our country.
I don't care what they do in Baghdad. We're the greatest country in the world because we don't let other people tell us how much freedom we can have.
"Suppose there were a modern style Molech religion that believed in infanticide. Would the establishment clause protect that practice?"
No, everyone who had participated in it would be arrested and thrown in jail.
What crime have the vast majority of Muslim citizens committed? Give me something that can be proven in court. The act of being a Muslim is not a crime in this country.
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