Can a good Muslim be a good American?

A friend who knows | 8/11/2006 | Agent Smith

[Agent Smith]

I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.

Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.

[LtKerst]

Some would call Islam a "Facist Cult of Death".

Bush calls it a "Religion of Peace"

Jesus says " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father but by Me".

[zook]

"And, since the kuran teaches muslims to lie when living in foreign lands, how do you know this?"

I'm cautious, but not paranoid. The people I'm talking about I've known for a long time, they go to ball games, tell Arab jokes, etc. Their parents were either born here or lived here most of their lives. The women in their families don't wear head scarfs, etc. They're just good old "Danny Thomas" types. ('course, he was Catholic, wasn't he? Well then, make it Jaimie Farr.)

[Coldwater Creek]

I wasn't suggesting annihilation. I said that if I was not a Christian that would be by view.

My ultimate foal for all Muslims is to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Sorry if I did not make myself clear and you misunderstood my view.

[sinkspur]

What I said was being a Christian is what keeps me from wanting to put all Muslim's in the gas chambers and ovens.

Then you're not Christian. You've already showed your true sentiments.

[kabar]

The history of the spread of Mohammedanism is conquest and conversion at the point of a sword. 90% of all armed conflicts in the world today are around the perimeter of the Mohammedan world.

Today, yes. Historically no. Christianity had its own religious wars and persecution, which is why many came to America. The two most costly and devastating wars in history had nothing to do with Islam.

[ClaireSolt]

Louis Farakhan's should be in jail, in solitary confinement where his reaction would only come to his own attention. He has been preaching antisemitism and hate for many years. He came once as a guest lecturer to the black Heritage U where I taughjt in Mo. All of a sudden we were hearing a lot of anti-semitism from black students from KC and St Louis who had never met a Jew in their lives.

One reason you don't see many pictures of the Americans who have been convicted of terrorism related crimes, is that when you do see a photo it is usually of an Afro-American led astray by this creep, much to the sorrow of his family and community.

[Coldwater Creek]

Consider the cost of the alternative!!!

They would have to make their own way.

[Coldwater Creek]

Just give them a minute and they will be all over you like white on rice.

[sinkspur]

Conversely, jihad is a religious obligation for Mohammedans.

Nonsense. Jihad is no more an obligation for Muslims than forcibly converting pagans is an obligation for Christians.

[Ace of Spades]

How magnanimous. Beg to God for forgiveness.

[ArrogantBustard]

My ultimate foal for all Muslims is to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Amen, Sister!

Of course, the same for Animists, Buddhists, Deists, Hindus, Jews, Pagans, Shintos, Voodouns, Wiccans, and Zoroastrians. And any other faith or lack thereof I've left out of that list.

[kabar]

(Too much Law; not enough Order)

Your tag line says it all. It sounds like something out of the Third Reich. Your comments are not what this country is all about.

[rottndog]

Non-citizens are here at our sole and sovereign pleasure. We can keep out the nationals of any country we wish, or the followers of any religion we wish, without appeal or explanation.

This used to be the observed and enforced policy back in the days of the Cold War--contact with Eastern Block countries was strictly controlled and heavily monitored. Anyone from a Communist country underwent intense scrutiny.

I don't know why we don't assume a Cold War posture in relation to Islamic countries in this new war. It was effective then, and would be today.

[sinkspur]

My ultimate foal for all Muslims is to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Why would they come to Jesus when you, one of His followers, wants to throw them in internment camps?

[Coldwater Creek]

Thanks Great profile page.

[durasell]

Why would they come to Jesus when you, one of His followers, wants to throw them in internment camps?



Because the camps have water slides?

[FBD]

-there is nothing that can be done with 4-6 million Muslims, fascists, or skin-headed Nazis, either.
There is no law against people who hate Jews, or America for that matter.

However, the 1400 plus mosques that are funded by Saudi Arabia, whose Imams teach death to America? That is an entirely different matter. These mosques should be dealt with. All foreign financing of said mosques should be BANNED.

[kellynla]

Well isn't that special. Thanks for making my point.
The PC Marine Corps has provided a place where Muslims can "pray" to the antiChrist for our demise. While the terrorists in Gitmo are getting better treatment than the Pendleton Eight.

[kabar]

He has been preaching antisemitism and hate for many years.

We still have free speech in this country whether it is Farakhan, Duke, or Gibson.

One reason you don't see many pictures of the Americans who have been convicted of terrorism related crimes, is that when you do see a photo it is usually of an Afro-American led astray by this creep, much to the sorrow of his family and community.

Each individual is responsible for his or her's actions. Being "led astray" is a cop-out.

[ANGGAPO]

Perhaps they have but I sure would be suspicious of their motives.