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7/30 Middle East Live Thread
7/29 Middle East Live Thread ^ | 7/30/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 07/29/2006 10:30:17 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

Israeli combat soldiers walk along the Israeli northern border with Lebanon. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is pursuing a new round of Middle East diplomacy as the Lebanon conflict moved into its 19th day, with Israel and Hezbollah exchanging firepower and threats in defiance of international moves toward a ceasefire


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; gwot; hizballah; israel; qana
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To: Txsleuth

those two generals have been very accurate so far in their comments.


2,161 posted on 07/30/2006 8:02:47 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: La Enchiladita

It's quiet, little is happening, I finally have time to say something I've wanted to say for a good while now, with at least a chance to get it right.

Back in the early days I took some grief for pointing out that it would be ignorant and dangerous for Israel to invade southern Lebanon until all available ABM assets were in place.

Israel didn't.

That might mean Olmert's a twinkie, and it might mean he's one hell of a well informed or well advised player.

Later on Israel took a lot of grief over those hinky limited incursions into Southern Lebanon, but you'll notice that not one Iranian IRBM has cracked containment at Dimona, no Syrian missiles with chem warheads have landed in Israel, and that certain losses have been inflicted on Hezbollah.

Olmert might be a twinkie, and he might be a real player, capable of walking a very fine line.

Today we see Israel catching significant hell over a ceasefire, taken at a time when the Muslim street was tearing up pavement and would probably have, within 24 hours or less, forced commentary out of Muslim leaders like Abdullah in Saudi Arabia and Mubarak in Egypt that we couldn't overlook and they couldn't take back.

Olmert might be a twinkie, and then again, he might just have found the only way to preserve both this war, and also our relationships with these Muslim countries.

I know everybody has their pet theories, but I just like to look at the straight math, and so far, this equation remains indeterminate.


2,162 posted on 07/30/2006 8:03:25 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: bnelson44

forgive me..been busy

what did I miss?


2,163 posted on 07/30/2006 8:03:27 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (JOHN BOLTON FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: af_vet_1981

Oh.

I would love to be a fly on the wall of Condi's jet and in the oval. My guess is a mad game of chess is going on.


2,164 posted on 07/30/2006 8:03:36 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Peach

g'night...


2,165 posted on 07/30/2006 8:03:55 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: McGavin999

those people won't leave - for alot of reasons, and hezbollah needs to keep civilians in place for their tactics to work.


2,166 posted on 07/30/2006 8:04:31 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Txsleuth

Tony Blair is here in California.

You now, Left Coast and all that, hanging out with the DIMwits.


2,167 posted on 07/30/2006 8:05:15 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: jeffers

astute post.


2,168 posted on 07/30/2006 8:05:25 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: eeevil conservative

Nothing, we are all just speculating about the cease fire.


2,169 posted on 07/30/2006 8:05:55 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: oceanview
... and what stands in the way of the war going to completion - is the pressure put by the world media and the UN, to stop it.

While we are waiting patiently for the rockets to start falling (or not) maybe someone can answer the question that has been bugging me for some time:

What the heck is this "pressure" that the "world community" is putting on George Bush? Just how does the "world community" exercise their supposed power to tell us anything. Take the French (please - as the old joke goes). What do we care what the French think? Ditto Kofi and the rest of the UN? I don't get it. There is nothing they can actually do to put any real pressure on us. They can't hate us any more than they already do so that's not it. It's the sticks and stones thing. I don't see how they can break any U.S. bones.

But I have a candidate answer: I think the pressure is that they will ignore us at U.N. and State Department cocktail parties and we will feel left out. That's the only thing I can think of.

2,170 posted on 07/30/2006 8:06:36 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: oceanview

If I were Israel- I would say-"If they want to let the civilians out- find- give us our soldiers- UNHARMED and we will stop for 24 hours"

SOLDIERS FIRST!


2,171 posted on 07/30/2006 8:06:45 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (JOHN BOLTON FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: cajungirl
I would love to be a fly on the wall of Condi's jet and in the oval. My guess is a mad game of chess is going on.

I don't think Condi has the killer instinct required to defeat Iran. Not many elected leaders do and that means the probabiliy increases that more people will die. Look at what happened in the 1930s. It would not have taken too many casualties to nip it in the bud but would have required great leaders. No one had great leaders.

2,172 posted on 07/30/2006 8:06:48 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: bnelson44

I am so ticked at this....


2,173 posted on 07/30/2006 8:07:09 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (JOHN BOLTON FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: bnelson44

"Let's see what has been the major Hezbullah accomplishments so far:

Terrorizing 1/3rd of Israel with rockets

Nearly sinking a top of the line missile destroyer showing the world that Israel's navy is not invulnerable.

Making Israel look like child killers

And for this, what have they lost?

One village, a couple of command and control centers, and a few rocket launchers. Yep, I'd say that unless we see more... they are winning big time.

Of course, no one wins until the end. But if it ends now, Hezbullah wins big."

which is exactly why Nasarallah would be wise to stop and walk away, which Israel (*bangs head on desk*) has given him the opportunity to do


2,174 posted on 07/30/2006 8:08:07 PM PDT by jhp
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To: InterceptPoint
What the heck is this "pressure" that the "world community" is putting on George Bush? Just how does the "world community" exercise their supposed power to tell us anything.

The media, including FoxNews

If you ignore the media and go on about your daily life it won't intrude.

2,175 posted on 07/30/2006 8:08:12 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981

I don't know if it is Condi's judgement required to take on Iran. I think it is the President's judgement. She will do what he tells her to.

But I agree, nobody wants to take on Iran.


2,176 posted on 07/30/2006 8:08:40 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

Iran is a canerous tumor.....that needs chemo...


2,177 posted on 07/30/2006 8:10:06 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (JOHN BOLTON FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: eeevil conservative

The leadership does for sure.


2,178 posted on 07/30/2006 8:11:28 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: La Enchiladita; All

"You tell me why the U.S. would tell them to stop."

Well, I would HOPE, it's because Israel has to UNLOAD, and LOAD-UP some of these that are from the deliver from the US onto those "airplanes":


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/moab.htm

I REALLY hope we gave them at least 2 dozen or so !!!


2,179 posted on 07/30/2006 8:11:36 PM PDT by musicman
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To: eeevil conservative

Nite all. Tomorrow is another day.


2,180 posted on 07/30/2006 8:12:14 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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