Posted on 07/29/2006 7:36:51 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
'Psalm in a bog' linked to Israel's current war
By Joe Kovacs © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
The "miraculous" find of ancient psalms in an Irish bog has some wondering if there's any special modern relevance, since the discovery dealt with the enemies of Israel attempting to destroy the nation.
A construction worker in Ireland came across the ancient 20-page book dated to the years 800-1000 A.D. while driving his backhoe's shovel into the mud last week. Experts say it's impossible to say how the manuscript ended up there, but speculate it may have been lost in transit or dumped after a raid some 1,000 to 1,200 years ago.
The National Museum of Ireland issued a statement saying, "In discovery terms, this Irish equivalent to the Dead Sea Scrolls is being hailed by the museum's experts as the greatest find ever from a European bog."
"It is not so much the fragments themselves, but what they represent, that is of such staggering importance," said the museum's director, Pat Wallace. "In my wildest hopes, I could only have dreamed of a discovery as fragile and rare as this. It testifies to the incredible richness of the Early Christian civilization of this island and to the greatness of ancient Ireland."
Wallace called it a "miracle find," telling the Associated Press, "it's unlikely that something this fragile could survive buried in a bog at all, and then for it to be unearthed and spotted before it was destroyed is incalculably more amazing."
But it's the fact the book was discovered opened to Psalm 83 that is attracting attention across the globe.
The ancient psalm deals with a plea to God not to let the enemies of Israel eradicate God's chosen nation.
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. (Psalm 83:1-4)
It then lists a number of Israel's ancient enemies bent on its destruction.
Stan Goodenough, a South African journalist living in Israel for the past 12 years calls the timing of the discovery "incredible."
For right now Israel's enemies are again united in their desire to "cut Israel off from being a nation, that the name of Israel may be remembered no more." They purpose to take for themselves the "pastures of God for a possession." And that they are in league – or in a confederacy – is clear.
From Gaza, supported by most of the Arab states, the violence is being directed by the Palestinian Arab terrorist groups: the PLO, Hamas, the Palestine Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front For the Liberation of Palestine and the popular resistance Committees.
In the north, the Lebanese group [Hezbollah], supplied and enabled by Syria and the non-Arab but also Islamic Iran, is raining rockets down on Israel.
This, given the current situation, makes Psalm 83 a fascinating and fitting read, the ancient find nothing short of a phenomenon.
Goodenough points out the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1947, just as the modern state of Israel was being formed.
The bog find was heralded by the museum on Tuesday, one day after a call for global prayer on behalf of Israel. Psalm 83 was one of three psalms recited at locations worldwide Tuesday at the request of the governing council of Israel's Chief Rabbinate.
In his book, "Israel in Crisis," author David Dolan dedicates an entire chapter to Psalm 83.
"I detail who the protagonists are in the psalm, and then go on to talk about when it might be fulfilled," he told WND.
The website A Christian Witness previously put Psalm 83 into a musical Flash presentation, demonstrating how timely the ancient song is with news images documenting the current threat facing Israel, linking the ancient peoples mentioned in the psalm to modern political states.
Messageboards are filled with comments of news watchers who feel there's a timely significance to the discovery, while others think it's mere coincidence.
"This is the eeriest discovery I've ever heard of, especially given current events. It actually sends chills up my spine."
"I have read Psalms many times, and never has it just about screamed its relevance to the Middle East. God is really speaking to us through His Word right nowif we'll listen."
"I think this is one of the best news stories that I have read in quite some time. Those who seek Him, find Him. To those of us who believe, this is very uplifting!"
"For this to have been an act of God, God would have to have been all-knowing, foreseen this very conflict roughly 1,000 years before it occurred, foreseen the bog market, foreseen the use of power tools, foreseen the individual working the equipment and ensured this particular one was working that part of that bog that day, have created the book of its various parts (leather, the paper within) in the first place, have placed it in that place for 1,000 years of earthquakes and various other acts of God, foreseen the person who purchased the land would happen to be of the save artifacts mindset (not common among money-hungry landowners) and foreseen the need to it open to that page on that day. I don't know, seems all haphazard to me."
There's an old Confutze saying that is apropos for you:
"It is better to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it, and remove all doubt."
Perhaps a frozen keyboard would do the trick in this case.
Not if they're fractal trees. 8>)
I always know one of you folks has lost when you disengage from the facts and go to the insults. How very Christian of you.
I'll wager I have read more creation science (and the recent offspring, Intelligent Design) websites than you have read scientific websites.
They are not science. They are apologetics (defense of religion).
As for ID, it is all laid out in The Wedge Strategy. It is a PR effort from start to finish--no science involved.
Ping me when the Discovery Institute actually makes a discovery.
BTW, I didn't know Abraham Lincoln spelled his name "Confutze" but hey, you sure are putting that quote into practice, fool. ;)
A poem is a tree,
Planted in uncertain ground,
Bearing doubtful fruit,
But glorious, if it blooms,
And Godly, if it takes root.
"Which would be business as usual at any point since this thing was written."
I have no idea what you're having trouble comprehending. It may have been business as usual for a little over 1,000 years after the Psalm was penned, but for 1,878 years there was no nation of Israel. Starting in about 70 AD to 1948. How on earth could the enemies of Israel be "attempting to destroy the nation" if no nation existed for most of the time period since the penning of the psalm to the present.
Therefore your above noted statement is nonsensical.
I have no trouble comprehending anything except your inability to get the point. And frankly, I couldn't care less that you people are all pissy about this, because I don't value your opinion. Have a nice night.
Finding an old book in a bog is not a sign. If the text found something along the lines of "This book will be found with the nation of Israel at war..." yadda, yadda, yadda, then maybe. But this isn't a very convincing case at all.
But, either way, this small series of seemingly random events is small potatoes in the beautiful dance of math that underlies all nature.
Possibly the Brilliance of the design blinds us to its very existance! How would we know?
Oh that's hysterically funny! You evo's find a speck of bone and then go on the wildest flights of fancy, telling us all about the animals mating rituals, how they communicated, what designer clothing they liked, what TV shows they watched, what they had for dinner the night before, etc. , etc.
This also gives the lie to the opinion that scripture wasn't available to people before the printing press with moveable type came along. Throughout every century in virtually every European and free Mediterranean nation scriptures, such as the book of Psalms, or a Gospel, were easily available to everybody at a reasonable price.
They were copied by believers and made available as a Christian witness and evangelizing tool. Christians apart from the Catholic Church (which did indeed keep the Bible from its people) thrived from Bulgaria to Scotland, from the first century until the thirteenth.
LOL!
[What a thread!]
Really, when did that happen?
Boy or boy, what a crazy mixed up thread...or maybe we're supposed to be reading 82,83, and 84 all together for some type of context.
I really have no idea about why the Psalm found was not more clearly identified. Tells me that it being from the Vulgate is not a source most of us are familiar with. Further since we do not know what else is in this 'book' King James Psalm 83 may well still be included.
Could well be that since it was in "Latin" and dated 800 - to a 1,000 years ago we should have known more than we did.
However, whatever the case I will look at it this as a lesson in being reminded things are not always as they seem at first glance. And I got sent back to revisit parts of the Bible and reminded there are various translations that have been produced since the originals were penned.
King James - Psalms 83 still says what it says and at least it got people to opening their Bibles, no matter why this all happened the way it did.
The page that is showing on bible - only appears to be a written scripture. The book name (Psalms in this case) or even the chapter or scripture number does not appear to be legible. All that can be read is a few lines which is what I thought they were originally referring to. We need a translator from the page that is showing.
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