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The McCains and War: Like Father, Like Son
TIME Magazine ^ | July 29, 2006 | MASSIMO CALABRESI

Posted on 07/29/2006 11:54:19 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

This September, Senator John McCain's youngest son, Jimmy, 18, will report to a U.S. Marine Corps depot near Camp Pendleton in San Diego. After three months of boot camp and a month of specialized training, he will be ready to deploy. Depending on the unit he joins, he could be in Iraq as early as this time next year, and his chances of seeing combat at some point are high. Of the 178,000 active-duty Marines in the world, some 80,000 have seen a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan, and there are 25,000 bearing the brunt of some of the worst fighting in Iraq now. About 6,000 Marines have been wounded there, and about 650 have been killed. "I'm obviously very proud of my son," says the elder McCain, "but also understandably a little nervous."

At 70 years old, McCain might have thought his days of living in the shadow of family military men were behind him. His grandfather, Admiral John S. McCain Sr., served in the Pacific in WW II and was present at the Japanese surrender aboard the U.S.S. Missouri. His father, Admiral John S. McCain Jr., commanded U.S. forces in the Pacific during Vietnam, when the young McCain was a prisoner of war in Hanoi. But if the old men cast long shadows, McCain is about to learn that the young ones can too.

Jimmy McCain's deployment will affect more than his family. His father is a leading contender for the White House in 2008. If Jimmy deploys to combat, it appears McCain will join F.D.R. to become one of the very few American presidential candidates ever to have had a son at war. And even the prospect of Jimmy's service will shade the race. Iraq is the most important strategic and political issue facing the U.S. Many Democrats are calling for troop withdrawal to begin immediately, and the Bush Administration is struggling to reduce troop strength by the end of the year. McCain, for his part, is the leading voice calling for increasing the number of U.S. troops there.

In the way that happens more frequently in fiction than in life, a McCain family drama is replaying itself here. As a prisoner of war, Senator McCain voluntarily declined an offer of early release by his Vietnamese captors, extending his stay at the Hanoi Hilton by almost four years and nine months. During that time, his father continued to approve air strikes against Hanoi, knowing his son was there. Now comes Jimmy McCain, putting himself in the line of fire even as his father calls for more troops to be sent to war.

Named after McCain's father-in-law, James Hensley, Jimmy is the lively, happy-go-lucky member of the clan, friends say. During the 2000 campaign, a Boston Globe reporter spotted Jimmy, then 11, chasing his older brother Jack around the house calling him a "pork-barrel spender" — a deep cut in the McCain home. During the same year, when McCain was on the road in New Hampshire, the candidate proudly read aloud from a school report on General George S. Patton by Jimmy that he had faxed to him: "The Tanks Will Roll On."

McCain's personal influences on Jimmy appear to have outweighed the privileges that came with being his son. McCain is rock-star famous, and his wife Cindy came to the marriage with money as the daughter of a Budweiser distributor. While others have signed up for duty — the sons of both Senator Christopher Bond of Missouri and Tim Johnson of South Dakota have served combat missions in Iraq — it is nonetheless unusual for children of that background to enlist. By comparison, a recent study by Public Citizen's Congress Watch found at least 32 examples of congressional family members who were lobbyists.

Jimmy knows the risks of war from his father's descriptions of battle, imprisonment and torture in Vietnam. The Senator's book, Faith of My Fathers, dryly relates the experience of "small pieces of hot shrapnel" tearing "into my legs and chest," and of how, in solitary confinement, "the first few weeks are the hardest," as "the onset of despair is immediate" and "formidable." Not exactly a prime recruiting tool for your kids. Still, McCain the elder is phlegmatic. "I don't think there's anything unusual about Jimmy," he says, "There are, thank God, lots of young men and women like him."

In some ways, though, Jimmy is breaking with tradition, rather than following it. His brother Jack, now 20, has just finished his plebe year at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, where his father, grandfather and great-grandfather went before him. And McCain, the Naval aviator and keen interservice competitor, has been known to crack more than a few jokes at the Marines expense. McCain says he doesn't read much into Jimmy's decision. "I know that he's aware of his family's service background," he says, "But I think the main motivator was, he had friends who were in the Marine Corps, and he'd known Marines, and he'd read about them, and he just wanted to join up."

McCain says his son's service won't change his position on the war; he claims it won't even affect how he feels about it. "Like every parent who has a son or daughter serving that way, you will have great concern, but you'll also have great pride," McCain says. But it will be hard to ignore. If Republicans retain control of the Senate after November's midterm elections, McCain is due to ascend to the chairmanship of the Armed Services Committee in January, a position he has long aimed for. There he will have day-to-day responsibility for the oversight of the war.

And then there's 2008. McCain already has strong national-security credentials. His son's service only strengthens his position. It will neutralize the assertions of the left that Republicans are "chicken hawks," pursuing the war for ideological reasons without any connection to the pain of it. And it will likely have a broader affect on McCain's credibility. Critics have accused McCain of pandering to the right in order to solidify his front-runner status, but the power of that argument is diminished if McCain is seen steadfastly supporting a war even as it endangers his youngest son.

More than anything else, though, the country may find itself viewing Iraq through McCain's eyes as it follows his son's progress. And nothing is more powerful for a candidate than sympathy. Nothing, too, is more irritating to McCain: he seems annoyed by the interest in his son's enlistment. In mid-June, he requested that Time not run this story and only relented when it appeared other organizations might break the news. In response to most of the heavier questions about Jimmy's motivation and the influence he may have felt from his family, McCain doesn't want to play. "He's an 18-year-old kid," McCain says, and he no doubt remembers what that means. The Senator was such a hell-raiser as a plebe and a pilot that he was nearly forced out of the academy.

Whatever Jimmy's enrollment says about him, his father or the country, candidate McCain is letting it speak for itself, for the most part. Often the clan gathers for a popular July 4 barbeque at McCain's cabin in Arizona. But this year, instead, McCain canceled the picnic, and the Senator, his wife Cindy and Jimmy went to the Quinault Indian reservation in Washington State. "We went fishing and hiking and enjoyed the rain forest there as well as the salmon fishing, although we didn't catch any salmon," he says. "Cindy and I were able to spend a weekend with him. And it was fine."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: grunts; iraq; leatherneck; marine; marines; mccain; mccain2008; military; usmc; vietnam
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To: Jameison

McCain birthed SOROS and his clean dollars in political campaigns.


61 posted on 07/29/2006 6:01:24 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Reagan Man
" The issue has been Giuliani vs McCain, and in that matchup conservatives would reluctantly choose McCain over the liberal Giulaini. "

Easy:


Yet the polls show that Rudy is the favorite not just of Republicans, but of conservatives. And my recent conversations - on and off the record - with state-level GOP activists shows that these folks range from enthusiastic to at least open to America's Mayor making a run for the Oval Office.


AND:

Some people who identify themselves as strong conservatives, even when we did do the push-poll questions in Georgia and Florida, were still more willing to go with Giuliani," Johnson said. "Strong, Christian conservatives."


http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/rudy__the_front_runner_opedcolumnists_ryan_sager.htm



There has already been a plenty of match ups between Rudy and McCain, in practically every 2008 poll since the start of this year, and Rudy has regularly clobbered McCain.
Your "conservatives would reluctantly choose McCain over the liberal Giulaini" is not supported by the reality on the ground.
And Rudy even beats McCain in polls where it's been made clear that to conservative voters that Rudy is liberal on a lot of issues.
Still Rudy is beating McCain amongst conservatives.
Conservatives are NOT choosing John McCain.

You are living on cloud cuckoo land.
62 posted on 07/29/2006 7:29:48 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: rock58seg

Oh, as I said, I wouldn't vote for him either. But I do respect the man.


63 posted on 07/29/2006 7:38:26 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Reagan Man
"Both Kristol's advocate and support big government Republicanism, along with being pro-abortion.
Both men could be classified as RINO`s. Especially the elder Kristol.
Charles Krauthammer is another neocon, aka.libertarian.
Neocon, libertarian and liberal Republicans ALL have been classiifed as RINO`s at one time or another."


I think it's you that had better work on your reading comprehensive skills.
I have never mentioned either Kristol or Krauthammer in any of my posts. You did.
I have talked about conservative bloggers like Powerline and Hugh Hewitt and conservative talk radio like Rush Limbaugh (14 million mainstream conservative listeners)listeners), all of whom regularly trash John McCain.
And I know for sure, that neither Powerline nor Hugh Hewitt, nor Limbuagh, nor any of the top conservative blogs I read espouse your "big government Republicanism, along with being pro-abortion" ideology.
And as far as I know, neither Kristol nor Krauthammer maintain any blogs.
If they do, I have never read them or referred to them in any previous posts of mine.
So you can keep creating your own bogeyman and shooting it down.
That's got nothing t do with me.
64 posted on 07/29/2006 7:43:08 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Just mythoughts
"McCain birthed SOROS and his clean dollars in political campaigns. "

Yup.
We have McCain to thank for holding everyone else down to $2000, while giving Bush-hating uber rich vermin like Soros, virtually unlimited unlimited power to try and buy any elections they want, with no accountability to anyone.

Is McCain Fiengold bill evil? You bet.
But hey, McCain was too busy playing this cute "maverick" for the drive-by media to bother about the opinions of conservatives.
He is merely paying for years of annoying conservatives. You can't abuse a bunch of people for years, then expect them to vote for you come primaries time.
65 posted on 07/29/2006 7:53:22 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: ErnBatavia
"Bottom line: McCain is not presidential material."


Agree.
On top of all he above, the fact that the drive-by media love this guy alone, is enough reason not to vote for this guy.
Anything the drive-by's love is almost always bad for America.
66 posted on 07/29/2006 7:56:01 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Reagan Man
"I know McCain isn't popular around FR. Only 39% of FReepers supported him versus Hillary Rotten in a recent FR POll Question. While 69% of FReepers supported RudyG against Hillary. "

Even worse:
John McCain 2.7% 162

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=154;results=1

There is always a price to pay for one's actions.
67 posted on 07/29/2006 8:00:26 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison
I've been following politics for many years and I learned long ago, not to place much credence in the polls this far out. They're almost meaningless at this point. We're two years and three months away from the 2008 Presidential election. Two years away from the GOP convention. Roughly 1-1/2 years away from the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary. And 8-12 months away from the earliest candidate declarations for 2008.

For me this debate is more about Rudy Giuliani, not John McCain. Anyway. Once the average conservative Republican gets around to reviewing Rudy`s political record, "da Mayors" lead in most of these early polls, will evaporate. Social conservatives will not buy what Rudy is selling and for good reason. Liberalism doesn't sell for most Republicans, and even fewer conservatives

>>>>I have never mentioned either Kristol or Krauthammer in any of my posts.

You posted:

>>>>Neocons or RINO's?
>>>>The 2 couldn't be more apart.

Just offering a little education in American politics. Obviously you don't understand that neocon Republicans like Kristol and Krauthammer, can be RINO`s too. Same goes for libertarian Republicans and liberal Republicans. A RINO is someone who doesn't support a majority of the GOP`s political platform. Which BTW, is a fairly conservative platform.

68 posted on 07/29/2006 9:08:27 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
"I've been following politics for many years and I learned long ago, not to place much credence in the polls this far out. They're almost meaningless at this point. "

For right now, that's all we got.
They are still much better than your "and in that matchup conservatives would reluctantly choose McCain over the liberal Giulaini. "
You basically have nothing to back that up, apart from vague references to all these conservatives you personally know. That doesn't really know much.
I know plenty of conservatives too, and non of them has any use for McClain. So what?
69 posted on 07/29/2006 9:15:43 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: West Coast Conservative

I wouldn't touch his DI's job with a ten foot pole. Walking around on eggshells just waiting for McCain's temper to blow up over some trivial mishap.
That said, I wish his Son the best of luck in his Marine Corps adventure.


70 posted on 07/29/2006 9:23:37 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: PattonFan
In the meantime, I know 3 families personally, and others through word-of-mouth by acquaintance, who are sending their sons to war.

These are young men who are volunteering to serve. They are not being "sent" by their parents. The Dems like to characterize our troops as children who are being given to the military by their parents. They shouldn't be demeaned in this way.

71 posted on 07/29/2006 9:24:33 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Jameison
WAKE UP! THE POLLS ARE MEANINGLESS AT THIS POINT! PERIOD!

There is nothing to back up. These polls have no credibility. A year from now, we'll see the beginning of the actual race for the White House. First we have to see who will be running. You want to put the cart before the horse, the chicken before the egg. Things don't work that way in American politics.

Btw, would you vote for a liberal in the GOP primary? In the general election? Would you vote for Rudy Giuliani?

72 posted on 07/29/2006 9:25:03 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
"For me this debate is more about Rudy Giuliani, not John McCain."

Yup.
And for right now Rudy is clobbering McCain, even amongst conservatives.

"Once the average conservative Republican gets around to reviewing Rudy`s political record, "da Mayors" lead in most of these early polls, will evaporate."

Even in polls where Rudy's liberal positions have been mentioned to pollsters before questioning them, Rudy is still beating McCain.
Conservatives already know McCain very well, (the puffed up McCain loves publicity even more than Paris Hilton), and what they know, they don't much like.


" Social conservatives will not buy what Rudy is selling and for good reason. Liberalism doesn't sell for most Republicans, and even fewer conservatives "

You keep pretending to speak for conservatives, with a point of view that is contrary to all evidence.
The reality on the ground today does not support you.
73 posted on 07/29/2006 9:25:54 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Alexander Rubin

I won't flame you, I agree with you! As to supporting him for President. If he is the only against a MARXIST LEFTIST RAT, he will get my vote. But that is the only way. Better a RINO( as you all like to label people) than a communist. :-)


74 posted on 07/29/2006 9:27:44 PM PDT by ladyinred (The NYTimes, hang 'em high!)
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To: Reagan Man
"WAKE UP! THE POLLS ARE MEANINGLESS AT THIS POINT! PERIOD!"

Hah Hah!
Try not to burst a gut will ya?

"There is nothing to back up"

Every single 2008 poll since the start of this year, with Rudy ahead of both McCain, and Hitlery is a lot of something.


"These polls have no credibility. "

Heh Heh!
They sure have more credibility than the hot air we are getting from you so far.
That's where the real nothing is.

"A year from now, we'll see the beginning of the actual race for the White House"

Race for the 2008 White House started right after the 2004 elections.
Because if 24 hour cable news, talk radio, and the Internet, things move much faster than they used to.


"You want to put the cart before the horse, the chicken before the egg. "

You don't even have a cart , a horse, a chicken or an egg.
So far you have given absolutely nothing apart from vague references to phantom "conservative friends".

"Things don't work that way in American politics."

You have no idea what works in American politics.
From what I hear from you so far, you are as clueless as they come.
75 posted on 07/29/2006 9:35:18 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: West Coast Conservative

I appreciate John McCain's military service to our country. It was extraordinary. However, that doesn't excuse the terrible decisions he has made in the US Senate. He was a war hero but that shouldn't give him a free pass to the White House.

His son sounds like a great kid. And I love how he bucked the family and went with the Corps :) Godspeed, Jimmy.


76 posted on 07/29/2006 9:36:28 PM PDT by RebekahT ("Government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Reagan Man

McCain has a lifetime ACU rating of 83, which is higher than Shelby, Stevens, Murkowski, Lugar, Snowe, Collins, Coleman, Cochran, Gregg, Domenici, DeWine, Voinovich, Smith, Specter, Chafee, and Warner, and the same as Grassley and Bond.


77 posted on 07/29/2006 9:36:32 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

McCain has a lifetime ACU rating of 83, which is higher than Shelby, Stevens, Murkowski, Lugar, Snowe, Collins, Coleman, Cochran, Gregg, Domenici, DeWine, Voinovich, Smith, Specter, Chafee, and Warner, and the same as Grassley and Bond.
______________________________


That isn't exactly saying too much...


78 posted on 07/29/2006 9:38:21 PM PDT by RebekahT ("Government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: RebekahT

His other son Jack is at the Naval Academy.


79 posted on 07/29/2006 9:38:25 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I know.


80 posted on 07/29/2006 9:38:55 PM PDT by RebekahT ("Government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem." -- Ronald Reagan)
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