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Minutemen skeptical of ties with Keyes project (Funding Questions)
The Washington Times ^ | 7-20-06 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 07/20/2006 12:08:29 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps calls itself a "project of the Declaration Alliance," although few MCDC volunteers know what the alliance does or why Minuteman donations are routed through the charity founded and headed by conservative activist Alan Keyes.

Several Minuteman leaders and members questioned the wisdom of ceding control over fundraising to the Herndon-based Declaration Alliance, part of an intricate weave of conservative organizations founded and chaired by Mr. Keyes or tied to longtime Keyes associates working with MCDC.

MCDC President Chris Simcox told The Washington Times that the alliance offers "an experienced organization for mass mailings, advertising and public relations" and the ability to conduct a "fully accredited and independent audit" of MCDC finances.

Mr. Simcox said he "checked these people out very carefully before agreeing to work with them" and that he made the "correct decision" in hiring "clean professional consultants, accountants and media professionals." He did not, however, disclose during an interview last week or in a 3,961-word follow-up statement how much Declaration Alliance and its affiliated organizations have been paid for their services

During the interview, he said, "Not one cent of MCDC money has been spent on alliance projects." The statement, released on the MCDC Web page, www.minutemanhq.com/hq/, does not mention Declaration Alliance or Mr. Keyes. ...."

"..Diener Consultants first contacted the Minuteman organization in early 2005, said Ms. Hair, the MCDC spokeswoman who also was a top adviser to Mr. Keyes in his presidential and senatorial races. She said she called Mr. Simcox after the Minuteman group was created to ask whether he had a media plan. After being told no, she said, she met with Mr. Simcox and Minuteman co-founder James Gilchrist in Washington and signed an agreement...."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; immigration; keyes; mcdc; minutemanproject; minutemen; mmp; seper; simcox
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Just because you assert it doesn't make it so.


81 posted on 07/20/2006 7:09:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: BigSkyFreeper; EternalVigilance
Just because you assert it doesn't make it so.

Imagine this, EV is here to shill for his boss and blame all of us because Simcox can't account for the mountains of $$$ he's gotten people to donate.

Yes yes EV, we know, the Bill of Rights this, the Bill of Rights that, but WHERE in the Bill of Rights does it allow one to pocket money clearly donated for ANOTHER cause? It doesn't.

And your "you aren't a conservative and you FROBLs are ruining this forum" rant will start NOW.
82 posted on 07/20/2006 7:43:30 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: EternalVigilance

I'm not the one defending Simcox's shoddy financial records, which he hasn't denied.


83 posted on 07/20/2006 7:45:33 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: MikefromOhio
Imagine this, EV is here to shill for his boss and blame all of us because Simcox can't account for the mountains of $$$ he's gotten people to donate.

You really think they'd hire him to defend them here?

I think he's here to defame them.

Remember the story of Brer Rabbit?

84 posted on 07/20/2006 7:46:09 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Amelia

nah.

Let's say there is a history between an individual in the story and an individual posting on this thread.


85 posted on 07/20/2006 7:47:33 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: dixiechick2000

What was the last job Mr. Keyes ever had?


86 posted on 07/20/2006 7:47:58 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (NUTS!)
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To: Bob J
Bob J wrote:

What Hairs around goes around.

She was right about one thing. -- Clinton was a liar.

Not much else, but hey---

87 posted on 07/20/2006 7:51:30 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: BunnySlippers
I think we are still waiting for Keyes' FIRST real job.
88 posted on 07/20/2006 7:53:09 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: skeeter
I don't miss any posts, and if you assumed that when I was talking about you when I stated the fact that I don't allow myself to be bamboozled out of money by problem profiteers, that would only be because YOU gave them money, something that's impossible for me to know.

So I could not have been making you specifically a subject.

I began to understand problem profiteers when I began to understand people like Larry Klayman and Alan Keyes; they say the things you want to hear in order for you to send them money, yet they get very little done..except make money for themselves.

It's that whole idea of Booker T. Washington applied to today:

"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs -- partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."

There are people out there profiteering, on both sides of the political spectrum, by advertising the wrongs they understand people are concerned with, and making those concerns pay off via donations.

When I believe I identify one, I will make my opinion known.

89 posted on 07/20/2006 7:55:19 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

FR has exposed a lot of frauds over the years and some of them from the right. This is nothing more than us policing our own.


90 posted on 07/20/2006 7:59:07 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: skeeter
Re: your #70.

Are you suggesting that I have some sort of an agenda that would make me smear this cause?

What cause exactly?

In telling the truth as I see it about people profiteering from a cause I am making a statement about those people, not about the cause, but you are AGAIN making suggestions that in my questioning the individual, I am casting aspersions in the cause itself.

The individual is NOT that cause, the cause is the cause, and questioning individuals who may seek to profit from the cause is standing up for the cause.

You need to get that straight.

91 posted on 07/20/2006 8:00:11 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Texasforever

Exactly.


92 posted on 07/20/2006 8:00:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: MikefromOhio
nah. Let's say there is a history between an individual in the story and an individual posting on this thread.

Who would hire anyone so incompetent?

Keyes is a bright man.

93 posted on 07/20/2006 8:02:44 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Amelia

Bright enough to get stomped in Illinois.....


94 posted on 07/20/2006 8:04:55 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Are you suggesting that I have some sort of an agenda that would make me smear this cause?

I have no answer to your question, Luis, because its not about you.

Besides, YOU responded to ME.

95 posted on 07/20/2006 8:08:37 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: MikefromOhio

Illinois wasn't about getting elected. It was about keeping his name in front of the public so all his web pages would keep getting hits.

Especially the donation pages.


96 posted on 07/20/2006 8:09:07 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: skeeter
But I can gaurantee you it will not matter at all how squeeky clean their successors are to most of the MM's critics on this board.

There are a 12 other MM/Border groups. There is even a Gilchrist MM thread HERE , planning a mass border action with the 11 other groups. (Simcox's group is not invited to join, btw, which speaks volumes)

You are wrong. The criticism here of Simcox is specific, and not against other MM groups.

And, for the upteenth time, no one here is for "open borders".

97 posted on 07/20/2006 8:10:00 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: skeeter

So why did you point me to your #70?


98 posted on 07/20/2006 8:10:29 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: dixiechick2000; Interesting Times; Bob J; nopardons; abner; Skeet; Howlin
Hair, Hair, the gang's all here.......

Leni

99 posted on 07/20/2006 8:21:06 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal; Interesting Times

Resisting the urge to laugh...

I could choke on my lightly salted popcorn!


100 posted on 07/20/2006 8:29:06 PM PDT by abner (Looking for a new tagline- Next outrage please!- Got it! PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS LOST IN THE USA!)
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