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Minutemen skeptical of ties with Keyes project (Funding Questions)
The Washington Times ^ | 7-20-06 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 07/20/2006 12:08:29 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps calls itself a "project of the Declaration Alliance," although few MCDC volunteers know what the alliance does or why Minuteman donations are routed through the charity founded and headed by conservative activist Alan Keyes.

Several Minuteman leaders and members questioned the wisdom of ceding control over fundraising to the Herndon-based Declaration Alliance, part of an intricate weave of conservative organizations founded and chaired by Mr. Keyes or tied to longtime Keyes associates working with MCDC.

MCDC President Chris Simcox told The Washington Times that the alliance offers "an experienced organization for mass mailings, advertising and public relations" and the ability to conduct a "fully accredited and independent audit" of MCDC finances.

Mr. Simcox said he "checked these people out very carefully before agreeing to work with them" and that he made the "correct decision" in hiring "clean professional consultants, accountants and media professionals." He did not, however, disclose during an interview last week or in a 3,961-word follow-up statement how much Declaration Alliance and its affiliated organizations have been paid for their services

During the interview, he said, "Not one cent of MCDC money has been spent on alliance projects." The statement, released on the MCDC Web page, www.minutemanhq.com/hq/, does not mention Declaration Alliance or Mr. Keyes. ...."

"..Diener Consultants first contacted the Minuteman organization in early 2005, said Ms. Hair, the MCDC spokeswoman who also was a top adviser to Mr. Keyes in his presidential and senatorial races. She said she called Mr. Simcox after the Minuteman group was created to ask whether he had a media plan. After being told no, she said, she met with Mr. Simcox and Minuteman co-founder James Gilchrist in Washington and signed an agreement...."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; immigration; keyes; mcdc; minutemanproject; minutemen; mmp; seper; simcox
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To: Amelia
By the way, Mr. Tough Guy, if you ask the lawyers, they'll tell you it's not slander if it's written, and it's not libel if it's true

Are they threatening lawsuits again?

61 posted on 07/20/2006 4:52:25 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"People like these" meaning believers that America is a land of laws, not men?

Doesn't that include YOU, Luis?

62 posted on 07/20/2006 4:52:40 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Texasforever

I said 'Americans', not Texans.


63 posted on 07/20/2006 4:54:15 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Texasforever
Are they threatening lawsuits again?

Oh, yeah.

64 posted on 07/20/2006 4:54:27 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: skeeter
I said 'Americans', not Texans.

That has to be the lamest post so far.

65 posted on 07/20/2006 4:55:06 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: skeeter
Of course I believe in laws you fool, but I'm not foolish enough to allow myself to be bamboozled out of my money, then say that being bamboozled out of my money doesn't matter one iota.

No skeeter, I'm not the subject of this thread, so try addressing the subject, and quit trying to point elsewhere...I'm not the problem here.

66 posted on 07/20/2006 4:55:25 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Amelia
Well I guess that will come right after Simcox wins his Libel suit against SPLC and Texas Minutemen not to mention the Washington Times.
67 posted on 07/20/2006 4:57:03 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
No skeeter, I'm not the subject of this thread, so try addressing the subject, and quit trying to point elsewhere...I'm not the problem here.

Thats funny given what you said the sentence before.

Is it too much to expect a little consistency from you Luis?

And BTW, no personal attacks.

68 posted on 07/20/2006 5:00:50 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
People who believe passionately in a cause are often targeted by charlatans. Look at Larry Klayman, who made a boatload of money from conservatives, only to switch positions in a nano-second after Bush was elected.

All of us should be careful about who wwe give money to. This isn't the first case of grifting masquerading as conservatism, and it won't be the last.

69 posted on 07/20/2006 5:09:54 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple
All of us should be careful about who wwe give money to. This isn't the first case of grifting masquerading as conservatism, and it won't be the last.

Truer words were never spoken.

I just hate to see attempts at a just cause smeared by association by those with an obvious agenda. ESPECIALLY those within our own camp.

70 posted on 07/20/2006 5:12:13 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Lurker
So I have some questions...

Do you believe that threatening people with lawsuits over the fact that they are speaking their minds on a subject is a conservative trait?

Is independent thinking a conservative trait, or should conservatives simply be single minded robots following some pre-determined set of "rules" put in place by others who know better?

Are you that individual who knows better and gets to tell me what I need to think in order to fit in to the collective?

"They haven't a shred of evidence of criminal activity"

Evidence?

Most liberals deny obvious crimes when evidence is lacking, but in spite of the lack of evidence, we know that the appearance of impropriety usually exists because of the presence of it, not as a result of its absence.

In this case there is the appearance of impropriety.

"Now if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..."

Exactly.

71 posted on 07/20/2006 5:13:29 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: skeeter
I have been guilty of donating to questionable groups. When you get really agitated about a subject, you look for some way to make a difference in the public discourse.

I learned my lesson, and until people have a decent track record and understandable public financial records, I am not giving one red cent.

The left has grifters like Moveon.org. We have the same types, who are hoping to make boatloads of cash from naive but patriotic people.

All of us need to be careful with our donations.

72 posted on 07/20/2006 5:21:36 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: skeeter

Let's see...

I make a statement about the topic of the thread, and you ask me about myself, with the possible implication that either I don't believe in laws, or I'm not part of America, and NOW you want to point at me?

If you have an issue with the fact that I believe that these people are little more than problem profiteers, then address that by proving that they are not...you are not addressing anything by trying to pick an argument with me.

I didn't take money out of anyone's pocket skeeter, they did, and it's they who are to be held accountable for the expenditure of those monies.


73 posted on 07/20/2006 5:26:02 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
This game of 'Gotcha' grows tiresome.

I said Which will not matter a single iota to the majority of Americans who are concerned with the cause of border integrity.

To which you replied I'm not foolish enough to allow myself to be bamboozled out of my money, then say that being bamboozled out of my money doesn't matter one iota.

I guess I could be mistaken, but it sure seemed like you where trying to make ME to subject.

All of which misses my point... as usual. See post #70.

74 posted on 07/20/2006 5:33:38 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Texasforever
Well I guess that will come right after Simcox wins his Libel suit against SPLC and Texas Minutemen not to mention the Washington Times.

He & his lawyers are gonna be busy, aren't they?

75 posted on 07/20/2006 5:34:00 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: dixiechick2000

Hmmm, he says.


76 posted on 07/20/2006 5:37:36 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Rush was a victim of profiling)
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To: skeeter
I just hate to see attempts at a just cause smeared by association by those with an obvious agenda. ESPECIALLY those within our own camp.

Yes, you're correct. The MMDC needs to get rid of Simcox and Keyes.

77 posted on 07/20/2006 5:48:57 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Amelia
The MMDC needs to get rid of Simcox and Keyes.

Perhaps, we shall see.

But I can gaurantee you it will not matter at all how squeeky clean their successors are to most of the MM's critics on this board.

78 posted on 07/20/2006 5:51:45 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
But I can gaurantee you it will not matter at all how squeeky clean their successors are to most of the MM's critics on this board.

I can't speak for anyone else, but it would to me.

79 posted on 07/20/2006 6:02:15 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Last time I checked, the Bill of Rights, which guarantees freedom of political association for all Americans, was still in effect.

I wasn't talking about the freedom of association. You can continue to wave the Bill of Rights in my face, but the simple matter of fact is, Simcox is a crook.

80 posted on 07/20/2006 6:45:20 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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