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1 posted on 07/13/2006 12:51:14 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I hear it is a teacher's first amendment right to deny that the second amendment even exists... /sarc


2 posted on 07/13/2006 1:01:17 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: neverdem

This is a very good article.

It's a cliche but it's true: Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

The 2nd Amendment is there for a reason. It's not some antiquated passage. People should be taught to respect it.



4 posted on 07/13/2006 1:07:27 AM PDT by blogblogblogging
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To: neverdem

They should be teaching the children exactly what Law Enforcement really is and what their jobs really are.

It is not to protect citizens from harm. Law Enforcement has no obligation to keep its citizens safe from harm.

If anyone does not believe this just check the many cases where citizens sued because they were not protected from criminals by the local Law Enforcement.


7 posted on 07/13/2006 2:26:53 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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I have 2 daughters (now 14 & 16) who go to public school in Maryland. While they were in elementary school I would read everything they brought home with a hypersensitive eye and then proceed to correct what was being pounded into their mushy little heads in a very long winded way. So much so that they became very obverse to showing me anything the school would give them.

When they got to learning about the Constitution (4th grade I think) they were given a ditto, for homework, "synopsizing" the first 10 amendments that they had to match up with the corresponding number. Being in Maryland, I was highly suspect when I began to perused this assignment. When I got a little way down the list I saw words that simply said "the right to own guns". To say I was pleasantly surprised is the understatement of the decade.

They also had Rep. Bob Ehrlich (now our Governor) in to talk to the kids and he handed every child a complete copy of the Constitution, that we still have and use today. From that point on I have been less suspicious of the public school system.

8 posted on 07/13/2006 2:52:14 AM PDT by Gumption ("Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad", "Sherpa, Sherpa, Bakala")
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To: neverdem

The best way to teach the 2nd amendment, and to subvert the intent of the liberal social studies teachers, is to actually teach the kids reading and grammar.

With those, they can learn anything else on their own.


9 posted on 07/13/2006 2:52:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: neverdem

A good read, but it isn't strong enough. I have communicated with way too many youngetser graduating from high school whose concepts of the Constitution stop at "It's some government thing". The vast majority have received no education on ANY of the Amendments or the true structure of our government and how it functions.

There is dumbing down and there is CRIMINAL dumbing down. IMO, what the NEA has done meets the criteria for the latter. The liberal/leftist agenda MUST be eradicated from the school system and the kids need to be introduced to a politically-neutral presentation of the Constitution and all of its Amendments and allow the kids to decide which party they want to follow.


10 posted on 07/13/2006 2:53:56 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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bump for later


11 posted on 07/13/2006 2:57:27 AM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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These are the same people who try to deny that the Second Amendment applies to you and me, but applies to the National Guard instead.

You have to give the Founding Fathers high marks for prescience. The National Guard wasn't established until the 20th Century.

The 1903 Dick Act, which replaced the old Militia Act of 1792, divided all male citizens between the ages of 18 and 45 into the organized militia and the reserve militia.

The National Guard was formed in 1916 by the the National Defense Act. The new act provided increased federal support and regulation.

My own view is that the Constitution should be interpreted with the mindset of the Founders. The militia was an organization of neighbors, not a federally funded professional army.

The second thing to remember is that the militia was used to overthrow the government of King George.

The People have a right to keep and bear arms in order to form militias in order to defend themselves against an unjust government.

No wonder government works so hard to disarm the People.
15 posted on 07/13/2006 4:09:24 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: neverdem

If you want your child to understand your view of the Second Amendment, not some liberal teachers view, then I suggest you teach them yourself!


17 posted on 07/13/2006 4:16:10 AM PDT by Shimmer128 (If chocolate fudge cake could sing, it would sound like Barry White.)
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Todays teachers would have students learn how to surrender rather than fight for their freedom and live in an opressive society , and the first amendment , well that we'll surrender to the state run press and the propaganda spin miesters .


18 posted on 07/13/2006 4:30:05 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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Todays teachers would have students learn how to surrender rather than fight for their freedom and live in an opressive society , and the first amendment , well that we'll surrender to the state run press and the propaganda spin miesters .


19 posted on 07/13/2006 4:30:08 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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"These are the same people who try to deny that the Second Amendment applies to you and me, but applies to the National Guard instead."

Actually, every lower federal court in every second amendment case (save one court in one case) has ruled that the second amendment protects a collective right -- ie., the federal government shall not infringe on a state's ability to form a Militia.

Now, it could very well be that all these lower federal courts are wrong, and that one day the U.S. Supreme Court will set them straight. But, given that the U.S. Supreme Court USES these lower court decisions to make their decision, I wouldn't count on it.

25 posted on 07/13/2006 7:21:38 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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"We can further prove the intent of the Founding Fathers by observing how they lived and by reading many of the supporting articles and letters that outline their philosophy on the symbiotic relationship between an armed populace and a government that serves its people."

If you understand anything about the Founding Fathers it was that they trusted their state to protect their rights. Back then, as is now, your state defines and protects your individual RKBA -- not the federal government and not the second amendment.

26 posted on 07/13/2006 7:25:59 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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I was actually impressed with the materials given to my daughter on the entire BOR, including the Second, in the public system here in Gilbert, AZ. How they approached the subject in classroom discussion, I don't know.


27 posted on 07/13/2006 7:33:31 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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law professors have and continue to do this since the 1960's.


They believe the first nine amendments are about individual rights EXCEPT the second amendment which is a "collective right."


31 posted on 07/13/2006 8:13:14 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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You can start by talking to your child and asking them if they are learning about the Constitution in school. If so, take a look at their textbook and see if the Second Amendment is accurately reported. If there is a problem with the textbook or if the Second Amendment is not being taught at all, you may want to talk to your child's principal. You may also want to team up with other parents who share the same views. Teachers have a responsibility to our children and we have a responsibility to see that our nation's teachers are doing their jobs properly.
This here is the key. Values and character are ultimately a parent's responsibility. People need to become more/stay involved.
32 posted on 07/13/2006 8:13:56 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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None said it better than Alan Keyes 6 years ago. "Educating the defenders of Liberty"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18696

Worth re-reading.


117 posted on 07/22/2006 12:10:50 AM PDT by Poincare
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It is time to demand that our nation's education system duly recognize our Bill of Rights and teach the Second Amendment according to its true intent.

Fat chance of that ever happening in America's government schools. The unionized radical leftists who teach in so many government schools today would rather eat rat poison than teach the young skulls full of mush in their classrooms the true intent of the authors regarding almost any Constitutionally protected right.

Get your kids out of government schools and into Christian schools or home schooling if you want them to have an appreciation for and an understanding of America's history, and a love for our great American legacy of liberty and God-given unalienable rights. Those are the very last things they will ever be taught in government schools today.

141 posted on 07/22/2006 3:20:15 PM PDT by epow (Proudly fighting on FR for truth , justice, and the last slice of leftover pizza since 1998)
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Why don't the parents do it, then?


168 posted on 07/23/2006 5:54:22 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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These are the same people who try to deny that the Second Amendment applies to you and me, but applies to the National Guard instead. These are the same people who conjured up the term, "assault rifle" in an effort to ban semi-automatic rifles. They claim that when the Constitution was written, the Founding Fathers never intended it to apply to the types of firearm technology available today.

You could make the same silly claim about the "press". Congress never envisioned anything more modern than a simple Gutenburg press. How dare the press expect protection for high speed paper presses, radio, television or the internet?

176 posted on 07/23/2006 7:22:09 PM PDT by Myrddin
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