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To: neverdem
"These are the same people who try to deny that the Second Amendment applies to you and me, but applies to the National Guard instead."

Actually, every lower federal court in every second amendment case (save one court in one case) has ruled that the second amendment protects a collective right -- ie., the federal government shall not infringe on a state's ability to form a Militia.

Now, it could very well be that all these lower federal courts are wrong, and that one day the U.S. Supreme Court will set them straight. But, given that the U.S. Supreme Court USES these lower court decisions to make their decision, I wouldn't count on it.

25 posted on 07/13/2006 7:21:38 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
paulsen backs big bro:

Actually, every lower federal court in every second amendment case (save one court in one case) has ruled that the second amendment protects a collective right -- ie., the federal government shall not infringe on a state's ability to form a Militia.

Ignoring that the 2nd clearly says it is the "-- right of the people --" which shall not be infringed --.
Nice spin paulsen.

Now, it could very well be that all these lower federal courts are wrong, and that one day the U.S. Supreme Court will set them straight. But, given that the U.S. Supreme Court USES these lower court decisions to make their decision, I wouldn't count on it.

Robbie me boyo, we are all well aware by now that you wouldn't raise a finger to protect our RKBA's.

29 posted on 07/13/2006 7:50:38 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: robertpaulsen

actually there are upper level cases which are controling that hold to the contrary.

The first act of the Bush Attorney General was to hold that the second amendment is an individuals right.

The lower cases are just judges who are anti gun.


33 posted on 07/13/2006 8:18:33 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: robertpaulsen
...every lower federal court...

Bliss. Nunn. Cockrum. Chandler. Beard. Brown. Kramer. Emmerson.

Don't you ever get tired of spewing the same old lies?

37 posted on 07/13/2006 8:45:32 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: robertpaulsen
Now, it could very well be that all these lower federal courts are wrong, and that one day the U.S. Supreme Court will set them straight. But, given that the U.S. Supreme Court USES these lower court decisions to make their decision, I wouldn't count on it.

One lower court decision, I think it was Toft, quotes from the syllabus of the Miller decision. The portion of the syllabus quoted does not, in fact, match what Miller actually says. The other lower-court cases in turn cite Toft.

Counting on a court to do anything right while people like Ginsburg are on it would be unwise, but a reading of what Miller actually says (joined with an understanding of what terms like "judicial notice" and "remanded" mean) makes clear that it doesn't really support the anti-gun position. If it did, why did the government offer Miller's co-defendent (Miller was deceased) Jack Layton a plea bargain for time served instead of prosecuting him?

68 posted on 07/13/2006 11:02:29 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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