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Broken Borders: Broken Promises (Simcox-Minuteman)
ABC 15 Investigators ^ | 4/27/2006 | Staff

Posted on 07/07/2006 8:58:04 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

Americans are donating thousands of dollars to support Minutemen patrolling the border. But you may be surprised where your money is NOT going in this 4-month investigation.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; corruption; culturekillers; deception; disinformation; fraud; hitpiece; immigrantlist; immigration; lies; mcdc; minuteman; minutemen; moonbatoblers; murthatheminutemen; obljudas; ohplease; openborderliars; propaganda; simcox; wherestheposse
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To: All

To borrow a phrase from the great Thomas Sowell in his book 'the Economics and Politics of Race', this thread, this trumped-up phony attack on Chris Simcox, is "insinuation as a substitute for evidence."

It's classic attack politics at its worst.

Worthy of Clinton and Carville and Begala, but not worthy of FR.


1,921 posted on 07/12/2006 8:57:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

"To borrow a phrase from the great Thomas Sowell in his book 'the Economics and Politics of Race', this thread, this trumped-up phony attack on Chris Simcox, is "insinuation as a substitute for evidence."

Yes, but they suddenly find themselves in the minority and desparate. Beating up on a minuteman is all they've got.


1,922 posted on 07/12/2006 8:59:44 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Tancredo '08)
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To: EternalVigilance

And it it's true, what then, EV?

And don't say "It's not." Because it just may be.

You have now attached yourself to Simcox's behind; if he goes down, so will you.


1,923 posted on 07/12/2006 9:00:32 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: Kimberly GG
Yes, but they suddenly find themselves in the minority and desparate.

If you believe that you are the majority, you are out of touch with reality.

Beating up on a minuteman is all they've got.

We're not beating up on the Minutement; we're discussing whether or not Chris Simcox is running a scam; if you don't want to know whether he is honest or not,that says a lot about YOUR agenda, not ours.

1,924 posted on 07/12/2006 9:02:02 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: Kimberly GG
Yes, but they suddenly find themselves in the minority and desparate. Beating up on a minuteman is all they've got.

You better check around. There are other forums which are way ahead of FR on demanding answers from Simcox about his fence and financial arrangements. Some are Minutemen themselves.

He could calm the controversy, but seems unwilling to do so.

He seems to think people are going to mortgage their homes to help him get $55 million for a fence that a former well-known FReeper said is "just a symbol, and symbols are important right now."

1,925 posted on 07/12/2006 9:06:08 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Howlin
And it it's true, what then, EV? And don't say "It's not." Because it just may be.

You have just explicitly proved the accuracy of my above post.

Thanks.

""...insinuation as a substitute for evidence..."

Later.

1,926 posted on 07/12/2006 9:09:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: sinkspur

There is something really wrong when people feel the need to denigrate people who are asking questions about money.


1,927 posted on 07/12/2006 9:09:52 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: EternalVigilance

I guess in your murky moral world, asking questions has to be classified as "insinuations."


Honest people have nothing to fear from questions.


1,928 posted on 07/12/2006 9:11:15 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: Kimberly GG
What I've seen and read are minutemen themselves asking questions of Simcox.

How do you explain that?

It seems that you are in the minority here (as well you should be) in not caring about the ethics of the leader of such a critical movement.

I wouldn't be so free in admitting that a lack of financial transparency is something that doesn't concern you.

1,929 posted on 07/12/2006 9:13:01 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: stopem

Thank you!


1,930 posted on 07/12/2006 9:16:59 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: EternalVigilance
To borrow a phrase from the great Thomas Sowell in his book 'the Economics and Politics of Race', this thread, this trumped-up phony attack on Chris Simcox, is "insinuation as a substitute for evidence."

So, give actual evidence and refute the attacks.

You say truth is out there, but so far you've offered none.

Can you do it?

1,931 posted on 07/12/2006 9:19:53 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Amelia; Howlin

See my post #1926, and Howlin's and your subsequent posts that illustrated in to exquisite perfection.

I have no further comment, since further comment isn't needed.


1,932 posted on 07/12/2006 9:47:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
I have no further comment, since further comment isn't needed.

You're right; For almost 2000 posts you have refused to do anything except dodge and weave; anybody who comprehends the English language can see you are not forthcoming and can draw their own conclusions about it.

1,933 posted on 07/12/2006 9:55:06 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: EternalVigilance; Lurker
I have no further comment, since further comment isn't needed.

If you have no further comment, it's because you've offered nothing substantive to begin with.

Contrary to what you may believe, accusing others of the same personal attacks that seem to be your "debating strategy" will not win an argument.

Indeed, you seem to provide a perfect illustration of Lurker's post #1911:

They're drive by posters rather like the drive by media.

They make a charge and then vanish when confronted and asked to provide evidence.

I just don't understand how you've spent this much time at FR without learning at least the rudiments of framing a rational, persuasive argument.

1,934 posted on 07/12/2006 10:01:43 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: EternalVigilance
So you fold after two days without having waged an honorable battle in defense of your hero?

I would suggest to Mr. Simcox that he find more courageous and honest friends.

You have badly failed him here, EV. Badly.

1,935 posted on 07/12/2006 10:05:54 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ohioWfan
Thank you for chiming in, and along with your friends, continuing to illustrate my earlier post perfectly.

In fact, your self-righteous and hypocritical posts on this thread have illustrated it better than anyone else's.

""...insinuation as a substitute for evidence..."

1,936 posted on 07/12/2006 10:22:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance



Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm-- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.

-- T. S. ELiot3


1,937 posted on 07/12/2006 10:30:08 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: EternalVigilance
You know I'm an honest person, EV. This is the truth.....

When I first came to this thread, I respected Simcox, and even though I had seen some negative things in passing, I was at the very worst neutral toward him.

Now...........mostly because of your nasty, dishonest behavior in his 'defense'.........I am highly doubtful that he is an honest man simply because you are his friend.

If that is what you hoped to accomplish here by your incessant false attacks on me and your stonewalling and name-calling of everyone who asked legitimate questions, congratulations.

I'm sure that there are many lurkers who share my view. You have damaged your cause here, EV. And you have done damage to your 'friend' in the process.

I pray that Simcox opens his books, and that what is revealed is honorable. As one who cares deeply about the illegal immigration problem, and as one who has had deep respect for the MM, it scares me to think that their leader is a con artist.

He is the only one who can prove his honesty. I hope he chooses to do so..........and soon.

And I hope you quit 'defending' him by attacking everyone who just wants answers. He doesn't need that right now. If he indeed is decent, he doesn't need your indecency directed at others parading as his defense.

1,938 posted on 07/12/2006 10:43:03 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Howlin
“Slander is the revenge of a coward, and dissimulation his defense.” -Samuel Johnson
1,939 posted on 07/12/2006 10:46:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Howlin; EternalVigilance

Murky morals?

Tell me when there are ANY morals in anything connected to EV.


1,940 posted on 07/12/2006 10:49:52 AM PDT by MikefromOhio
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