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What Birds See [evolution of the eye]
Scientific American ^ | July 2006 | Timothy H. Goldsmith

Posted on 07/03/2006 10:05:56 AM PDT by doc30

We humans customarily assume that our visual system sits atop a pinnacle of evolutionary success. It enables us to appreciate space in three dimensions, to detect objects from a distance and to move about safely. We are exquisitely able to recognize other individuals and to read their emotions from mere glimpses of their faces. In fact, we are such visual animals that we have difficulty imagining the sensory worlds of creatures whose capacities extend to other realms--a night-hunting bat, for example, that finds small insects by listening to the echoes of its own high-pitched call. Our knowledge of color vision is, quite naturally, based primarily on what humans see: researchers can easily perform experiments on cooperative human subjects to discover, say, what mixtures of colors look the same or different. Although scientists have obtained supporting information from a variety of other species by recording the firing of neurons, we remained unaware until the early 1970s that many vertebrates, mostly animals other than mammals, see colors in a part of the spectrum that is invisible to humans: the near ultraviolet. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at sciam.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bird; creationism; evolution; eye; ignoranttheocrats; kindastupid; ludditefundies; lyingforthelord; paganjunk; pavlovian; roadtohorseshitpaved; saganscience; youngearthcultists
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To: Windsong
You do know that this is a Conservative site, right?

Reveling in ignorance is not a conservative value.

41 posted on 07/03/2006 10:43:26 AM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: Sentis
I think even an atheist could be a conservative.

Absolutely.

42 posted on 07/03/2006 10:45:33 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Sentis
You know that a person can believe in evolution, in God, and in Jesus and still be conservative. Oh my god a Bhuddist or a Hindu could be conservatives also and have a completely different set of creation beliefs. Hey I had a thought I think even an atheist could be a conservative.

Don't make their tiny little heads explode!

43 posted on 07/03/2006 10:46:34 AM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: doc30

So much for the concept of "bird's-eye view"...


44 posted on 07/03/2006 10:46:49 AM PDT by mikrofon (ICUV)
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To: conservativefreak

"and that successive generations of bacteria won't mutate into a frog, no matter how many generations you have."

Don't forget: And also believes that anyone who strays from their self-righteous egocentric beliefs is going straight to hell. Or, anyone who thinks Earth is more than 6000 years old is "silly". Or, believes that Darwin is in hell, but the good Christians who were "native hunting" while he experimented with nature are in heaven.


45 posted on 07/03/2006 10:47:09 AM PDT by SaveUS
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To: All

"Mammals were once that way, too. But during the time of the dinosaurs, mammals became nocturnal and lost two of the four receptors but gained better light sensitivity for nocturnal vision. Hence, all mammals are dichromatic."

Wow, I am surely impressed some Evo was around to observe this change, rather than just making up some bullsh*t to explain why somehow we highly evolved humans don't have this type of vision. Now that's science.


46 posted on 07/03/2006 10:47:59 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: Billthedrill

Too late......


47 posted on 07/03/2006 10:49:14 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: Junior

Unfortunately, for some, to be conservative, you must be a white christian who believes in creationism, and never ever veers from that.

No thanks.


48 posted on 07/03/2006 10:51:21 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: Windsong

What is the point of the question -- that conservatives cannot take an interest in questions to do with evolution or what?


49 posted on 07/03/2006 10:53:46 AM PDT by dodger
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To: Central Scrutiniser

I am always wishing those same people would go on over to hang with their intellectual equals in the democrat party.


50 posted on 07/03/2006 10:56:30 AM PDT by Sentis (You said the world doesn't need salvation so why do I hear it calling out for a Savior.)
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To: Sentis

You want all white Christians who believe in creation to become Democrats?


51 posted on 07/03/2006 10:58:16 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: RobRoy
What is pure conjecture in the article: that some sort of evolution is involved.

Nonsense. Genetic studies back up this assesment. It's in the full article, but you either have to pay for on-line access or have a paper subscription. It traces the genetic lineage regarding the color recepotrs of the different groups of animals involved. But then again, creationists apparently don't believe that genetic information indicates ranking of relationships between living things.

52 posted on 07/03/2006 10:59:30 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Sentis

I'm just sick of the self righteous folk who have to apply a litmus test (THEIR litmus test of course) so that they can find out who is a true, upstanding morally right conservative like them.

gag


53 posted on 07/03/2006 11:00:13 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: Skooz

Nope just the intellectual giants in the Christian camp that confuse conservatism with their religion. We dont need them and they generally turn out to be knuckle dragging racists too and so fit much better with the libs.


54 posted on 07/03/2006 11:01:13 AM PDT by Sentis (You said the world doesn't need salvation so why do I hear it calling out for a Savior.)
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To: Sentis

Wow.

So many generalities. So many presumptions. So much bullshit.


55 posted on 07/03/2006 11:02:39 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: conservativefreak
...random mutations can add complexity to an organism that didn't already have it in it's genetic code...

What is your measure of complexity?

56 posted on 07/03/2006 11:03:12 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Skooz

Yeah and should I go check and see if you have memberships over on Stormfront as well as free republic?


57 posted on 07/03/2006 11:03:40 AM PDT by Sentis (You said the world doesn't need salvation so why do I hear it calling out for a Savior.)
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To: Sentis

Ditto my previous post.

For the record, I don't even know what "Stormfront" is.


58 posted on 07/03/2006 11:05:18 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
Wow, how can you disagree with Trudeau?

I've read he took a high school biology class and has a PHD in cartoons.

IOW, He's a typical MSM expert on intelligent design and evolution, just like Chris Matthews.
59 posted on 07/03/2006 11:06:40 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Sentis

"Nope just the intellectual giants in the Christian camp that confuse conservatism with their religion. We dont need them and they generally turn out to be knuckle dragging racists too..."

Darned impressive post. A clear indication of what an intellectual giant you must be.


60 posted on 07/03/2006 11:07:17 AM PDT by Robwin
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