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More scientists express doubts on Darwin
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 22, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Posted on 06/22/2006 1:28:41 PM PDT by Tim Long

600 dissenters sign on challenging claims about support for theory

More than 600 scientists holding doctoral degrees have gone on the record expressing skepticism about Darwin's theory of evolution and calling for critical examination of the evidence cited in its support.

All are signatories to the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism statement, which reads: "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

The statement, which includes endorsement by members of the prestigious U.S. National Academy of Sciences and Russian Academy of Sciences, was first published by the Seattle-based Discovery Institute in 2001 to challenge statements about Darwinian evolution made in promoting PBS's "Evolution" series.

The PBS promotion claimed "virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true."

The list of 610 signatories includes scientists from National Academies of Science in Russia, Czech Republic, Hungary, India (Hindustan), Nigeria, Poland, Russia and the United States. Many of the signers are professors or researchers at major universities and international research institutions such as Cambridge University, British Museum of Natural History, Moscow State University, Masaryk University in Czech Republic, Hong Kong University, University of Turku in Finland, Autonomous University of Guadalajara in Mexico, University of Stellenbosch in South Africa, Institut de Paleontologie Humaine in France, Chitose Institute of Science & Technology in Japan, Ben-Gurion University in Israel, MIT, The Smithsonian and Princeton.

"Dissent from Darwinism has gone global," said Discovery Institute President Bruce Chapman. "Darwinists used to claim that virtually every scientist in the world held that Darwinian evolution was true, but we quickly started finding U.S. scientists that disproved that statement. Now we're finding that there are hundreds, and probably thousands, of scientists all over the world that don't subscribe to Darwin's theory."

The Discovery Institute is the leading promoter of the theory of Intelligent Design, which has been at the center of challenges in federal court over the teaching of evolution in public school classes. Advocates say it draws on recent discoveries in physics, biochemistry and related disciplines that indicate some features of the natural world are best explained as the product of an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection.

"I signed the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism statement because I am absolutely convinced of the lack of true scientific evidence in favor of Darwinian dogma," said Raul Leguizamon, M.D., pathologist and professor of medicine at the Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Mexico.

"Nobody in the biological sciences, medicine included, needs Darwinism at all," he added. "Darwinism is certainly needed, however, in order to pose as a philosopher, since it is primarily a worldview. And an awful one, as Bernard Shaw used to say."


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To: Jorge
[Several of those skull images are most likely composites, built up of undefined & unknown numbers of skeletal remains.]

This was found to be the case with previous so-called "missing link" skulls...

No it wasn't, but thanks for sharing your fantasies with us.

and as a result I am sceptical of anything evolutionists present since.

Then by your own admission, your actually skepticism is based on your unfounded and incorrect presumptions, and has nothing to do with the actual state of the real evidence, of which you seem blisfully unaware.

981 posted on 07/15/2006 7:16:46 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Coyoteman
I did to read the post, and your chart also.

In fact believe it or not I have read into several of the example in the chart/s over the months. I have had on my to-do list to bring some of the work here.

I might not convince you, but at the same time when I do bring it here I hope to do it in a way that stimulates some positive objective introspection to the whole subject.

If for nothing else, I want to 'prove to the forum' I have that in me :-)

Hopefully the drive-by hit artists will be on vacation then, its hard to have a dialog with all that going on.

W.
982 posted on 07/15/2006 7:18:35 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
Hopefully the drive-by hit artists will be on vacation then, its hard to have a dialog with all that going on.

I look forward to a dialog (almost) anytime.

983 posted on 07/15/2006 7:20:22 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Ichneumon
"This was found to be the case with previous so-called "missing link" skulls..."

No it wasn't, but thanks for sharing your fantasies with us.

Uh, yes it was.

But the last thing I expect from evolutionists is an admission of their own embarrassing historic blunders. LOL!

984 posted on 07/15/2006 7:21:06 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
But the last thing I expect from evolutionists is an admission of their own embarrassing historic blunders. LOL!

Admitting mistakes is a characteristic of science.

I am still waiting for you to present a brief summary of evolution n your own words.

985 posted on 07/15/2006 7:23:21 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Ichneumon
Then by your own admission, your actually skepticism is based on your unfounded and incorrect presumptions, and has nothing to do with the actual state of the real evidence, of which you seem blisfully unaware.

I love these bag-o-wind "I'm so smart" say nothing responses from evolutionists.

It's typical of the hollow arrogance of the entire theory.

986 posted on 07/15/2006 7:26:04 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: js1138; Jorge
Admitting mistakes is a characteristic of science.

And every time science does it, the creationists contrast how "science keeps changing its story" with "the unchanging nature of The Word." ("Unchanging," that is, since the founding of whatever the One True Church happens to be for somebody.)

987 posted on 07/15/2006 7:26:11 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: Jorge
I love these bag-o-wind "I'm so smart" say nothing responses from evolutionists.

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate you are smart enough to describe evolution in your own words.

988 posted on 07/15/2006 7:27:15 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138

Waiting to see natural selection in action placemarker.


989 posted on 07/15/2006 7:28:56 PM PDT by Seamoth (Kool-aid is the most addictive and destructive drug of them all.)
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To: VadeRetro

It's been thirty minutes now. Long enough to mine some quotes describing evolution and massage them into one's own words.


990 posted on 07/15/2006 7:29:33 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Jorge; js1138

Remember that someone with your dazzling resume--thanks for posting it, BTW--and your previous vast understanding of evolution could probably provide a level of description thereof better than the standard creationist strawman. So, please, no "Goo to you, via the zoo," or "One day there was this paramecium thing and it turned into a snail and the snail turned into a rat, but where was there a female rat for it to mate with?"


991 posted on 07/15/2006 7:32:27 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: js1138
Long enough to mine some quotes describing evolution and massage them into one's own words.

Creationist googling takes longer than that, even when the creo had a 4.8 GPA on a scale of 4.

992 posted on 07/15/2006 7:33:42 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro

A 4.0 GPA. That's interesting. Mostly we hear how crappy schools and colleges are, but suddenly they are something to brag about.


993 posted on 07/15/2006 7:35:24 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138
Let me with all due humility propose Vade's Rule: "If you feel that you have to post your GPA (real or fictional), it's because you've been performing conspicuously below "IDIOT."
994 posted on 07/15/2006 7:40:35 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro
Hey by the way,

I followed some links, and found what I think is your web page. It had the same kitty picture in it I think have seen here, you know the kitty on the top of the couch image. Anyway nice work.

I made my own little web site years ago also 97 to 99'sh. It had a little css, some java script and a few self wrtieet java applets and full fledged java apps. Got to get one going again

I never competed in any marathons or other organized runs, but I ran marathon distances. But much more often I would run an 8 to 18 mile run depending upon number of laps around Thompson Lake after leaving the Rec Center. During the peaks of the run I was getting down into some 5 minute miles, circa 1981 1982.

Wolf
995 posted on 07/15/2006 7:42:46 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: VadeRetro; PatrickHenry

Coming up on a big Kansas prime.


996 posted on 07/15/2006 7:45:03 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: RunningWolf
During the peaks of the run I was getting down into some 5 minute miles, circa 1981 1982.

Out of my league. In my 30's (my best road races) I was doing very low 7s per mile. (44:13 10K at age 35.) Now 56 and being driven to distraction by foot problems, I'm lucky when I'm not doing 9 per mile. I was lucky in a road race today. 5K in 27:13 on a steambath of a morning.

997 posted on 07/15/2006 7:50:39 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro
Let me with all due humility propose Vade's Rule: "If you feel that you have to post your GPA (real or fictional), it's because you've been performing conspicuously below "IDIOT."

Does that apply to the number of distinct PhDs you claim? And the number of biotech companies you run?

998 posted on 07/15/2006 7:53:00 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: VadeRetro
Creationist googling takes longer than that...

I think the problem is that in order to replicate with modification, you have to know enough to recognize a credible and concise source.

999 posted on 07/15/2006 7:56:55 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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One hour and counting...


1,000 posted on 07/15/2006 7:58:21 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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