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1 posted on 06/08/2006 11:22:22 AM PDT by freemarket_kenshepherd
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd

Here's a job Americans won't do... report the news objectively. I'd learn Spanish if I could get the truth out of a MSM outlet.


2 posted on 06/08/2006 11:23:56 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd

I'm still waiting to hear back about that $50 an hour lettuce picking job.


3 posted on 06/08/2006 11:25:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


4 posted on 06/08/2006 11:28:04 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd

We should continue to document evidence showing that Americans WILL DO those jobs.

Here's what appears to be some evidence in a post I put on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1644910/posts

--COPY OF POST PASTED BELOW --

According to the following, those illegals pushed out Americans willing to work for the SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY:

Back in April, there was THIS story about American workers pushed out by Mexican aliens in the Katrina cleanup:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1612317/posts

-SNIP-

An Alabama employment agency that sent 70 laborers and construction workers to job sites in that state in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina says the men were sent home after just two weeks on the job by employers who told them "the Mexicans had arrived" and were willing to work for less.

Linda Swope, who operates Complete Employment Services Inc. in Mobile, Ala., told The Washington Times last week that the workers -- whom she described as U.S. citizens, residents of Alabama and predominantly black -- had been "urgently requested" by contractors hired to rebuild and clear devastated areas of the state, but were told to leave three job sites when the foreign workers showed up.

"After Katrina, our company had 70 workers on the job the first day, but the companies decided they didn't need them anymore because the Mexicans had arrived," Mrs. Swope said. "I assure you it is not true that Americans don't want to work.

"We had been told that 270 jobs might be available, and we could have filled every one of them with men from this area, most of whom lost their jobs because of the hurricane," she said. "When we told the guys they would not be needed, they actually cried ... and we cried with them. This is a shame."

-UNSNIP-

So, the way it appears, first the aliens pushed out Americans for those jobs by agreeing to work for lower pay, and now they're whining about the low pay and poor working conditions.

But look closer: Though the article above says the illegals are working for $10/hour, and that documented workers earn $16.50/hour, the first article said the Americans were willing to work for $10/hour:

-SNIP-

>>>> "The men we sent to jobs in Alabama were local fellows looking for work, men who needed jobs," Mrs. Swope said. "After driving 50 miles to the work sites where they had been promised $10 an hour, they discovered the employers had found substitutes who were willing to work for less."<<<<

From the original source:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060410-123506-1297r.htm


8 posted on 06/08/2006 11:36:42 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd

There are a lot of jobs Amercans won't do. If you're paying $4 an hour, that is.


9 posted on 06/08/2006 11:38:36 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd
"Jobs Americans won't do" isn't quite accurate. But to say there are some jobs that some Americans won't do is completely accurate.

I've got a client that offers some very good unskilled jobs. In the waiting room for people filling out applications, they run a video containing testimonials from current employees. The testimonials all are about how hard and how demanding the job is. They also talk about the good pay and benefits, but really emphasize that its hard work.

Not surprisingly, an initial group of 25 may whittle down to 10-15 by the time the tape is done. The truth is that there are some people who simply do not want to do the tough jobs. And there are plenty of other people who may accept those jobs, and then not show up, show up drunk, show up late, etc. repeatedly. So they get fired.

There are reasons some people are chronically unemployed, and it has nothing to do with wages or benefits. There are millions of people who lack the personal drive and sense of personal responsibility necessary to get and hold a job. Now maybe if you completely eliminated public assistance, drug dealing, petty crime, etc., you might be able to change those people. But that's not going to happen. So the reality is there are jobs out there than cannot be filled reliably by Americans, because the Americans who would be willing to fill those jobs already have jobs of their own.

Like it or not, that's the way it is.

12 posted on 06/08/2006 11:43:41 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd

Actually, there are a lot of jobs that Americans won't do, and they're not necessarily badly paid. It's simply that people with the educational and skills level for them (low) are either collecting their "baby mama's" welfare or are living off of their drug sales.

Roofing laborers, painters helpers, construction grunts, etc. are all receiving $10-14 per hour in my area, but there is a definite shortage of native-born folks who want to do it - or can show up for work more than a day or two in succession because of their drug or alcohol habit. We do have some serious problems with the lower-skills end of the American work-force.

Americans also never see a low-skills job as a step to a higher-skills, higher paid job. A lot of the Mexicans and Central Americans and Brazilians do, however, and they have started off as laborers and ended up owning their own companies. But many lower-skilled Americans have lost their impetus and seem to think that starting at ground level is way beneath them. Even though they can barely read and write, have criminal records, etc., they seem to think that having to go to work every day is an indignity.


15 posted on 06/08/2006 11:48:29 AM PDT by livius
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd
There is no such thing as jobs Americans won't do.

Plain and simple propaganda spin.



18 posted on 06/08/2006 12:14:43 PM PDT by G.Mason (Others have died for my freedom; now this is my mark ... Marine Corporal Jeffrey Starr, KIA 04-30-05)
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd
Jobs Americans Won't Do?

How 'bout.... ENFORCEMENT of ALL our LAWS.

23 posted on 06/08/2006 12:20:50 PM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd; Liz; dirtboy; hedgetrimmer; Paul Ross; A. Pole
MSM SAYS....“The American people are the ones hiring these people in many cases to do jobs they don’t want to do,” NBC’s Matt Lauer reminded his “Today” guest on May 1.

Now, we on FR, all know that the MSM, by and large, mirrors, mimics, or otherwise amplifies the official talking points of the DNC. We have seen it countless times. There is no finer example of this than Matt and Katie.

This observation thus leads us to the following question...

What does it mean when the official spin as put out by the WH on immigration...

is virtually IDENTICAL to the official spin put out by the DNC on immigration???

Do I have to be a member of some UBER cult to even ask the question?

Do I have to be a member of some as yet undefined cult to refuse to even acknowledge the validity of the question?
31 posted on 06/08/2006 12:50:31 PM PDT by Dat Mon (Weldon, Shaffer, Philpott.......Men of Honor)
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To: freemarket_kenshepherd

I think another myth is illegals don't have skills. What do people think they were doing in their home counties?


34 posted on 06/08/2006 2:44:44 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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