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1 posted on 05/27/2006 7:18:29 PM PDT by Pokey78
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This is a bad sign.


2 posted on 05/27/2006 7:19:53 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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Isn't that special?


3 posted on 05/27/2006 7:22:09 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Freedom or a baloney sandwich? A DemocRAT will ALWAYS choose the baloney sandwich.)
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Perhaps we can look forward to seeing a movie about how hard it was on holocaust guards next.

Japan was the agressor nation. If we hadn't stepped in it would have ruled the Asian Pacific. It would have sooner or later turned it strength against our west coast.

I don't give a flying figg about the Japanese hardship on Iwo Jima and it is an embarassment that anyone does.


4 posted on 05/27/2006 7:22:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hey Senators, what have you done with those Conservatives we sent to Congress? (CyberAnt Inspired))
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My Dad was a WW II vet, may the Lord rest his soul. He said a lot of guys in his neighborhood never made it back home. Let's remember the staggering American death rate in WW II and stop trying to be politically correct about this topic. More Americans would have died, out fathers and grandfathers possibly among them, if America hadn't made an all-out effort to defeat Japan's war of aggression.


5 posted on 05/27/2006 7:23:09 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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Et tu, Clint?


6 posted on 05/27/2006 7:23:11 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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...that turned the island into a flattened wasteland.

First of all, it didn't. Or at least several years later it wasn't; maybe the mountain regrew before we went there for several FCLP detachments.

Second: Please tell me this isn't going to be some sort of anti-war flick from Eastwood. The battle is legendary. I'd hate to see it become belittled somehow.
8 posted on 05/27/2006 7:24:58 PM PDT by tongue-tied
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Based on the 2000 bestselling book of the same name, it focuses on the six US soldiers captured in AP photographer Joe Rosenthal's iconic and controversial photograph, as they raised the Stars and Stripes at the summit of Mt Suribachi.

"Controversial"? What's Controoversial about it? It's one of the most moving photos of all time. Do I give a rat's ass if the agressor nation doesn't like it?

9 posted on 05/27/2006 7:25:10 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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Any rational government in Japan's position would have surrendered after the fall of the Mariannas. You just didn't need to be Albert Einstein to figure it out at that point.


12 posted on 05/27/2006 7:25:59 PM PDT by tomzz
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The Japanese were every bit as genocidal as the Nazis, and were even more brutal and inhuman on the battlefield. It sounds like Eastwood's doing a 'Munich.'


14 posted on 05/27/2006 7:27:18 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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Hey Clint, do you feel lucky? Do you?


16 posted on 05/27/2006 7:28:04 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Hey Clint let's remember a few other things like the invasion/annexation of Korea, the invasion of Manchuria, the Rape of Nanjing, Peal Harbor, Singapore, Corregidor, Bataan, the Death March,...yeah we should have sympathy -- NOT!!!
17 posted on 05/27/2006 7:28:51 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Maybe he has Alzheimer's or something, because this seems very strange coming from him. I was disgusted by his pro-euthanasia position in "Million Dollar Baby" but this is deplorable. We were only fighting Japan because they attacked us.


18 posted on 05/27/2006 7:28:59 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Brokeback Iwo huh? Nice.


20 posted on 05/27/2006 7:31:22 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Freedom or a baloney sandwich? A DemocRAT will ALWAYS choose the baloney sandwich.)
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The problem is that when you're dealing with people who accept the fact that their lives are meaningless; when you're dealing with a totalitarian mind that sees the opponent as not worth living if he surrenders and who has a racist perception; when this enemy sees his leadership as Godly; when this person grows up in a society that does not have a lot of room for individualism- Well, it'll be curious how Clint try's to give this enemy a "human" twist. But I guess in revisionist and relativistic Hollywood it can all be possible.

A good book to read: Behind Japanese Lines by Ray Hunt.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0813109868/102-7870769-1122514?v=glance&n=283155 Of course this will not be the story that Clint tells. But it gives a little insight as to how the Japanese operated.


22 posted on 05/27/2006 7:33:12 PM PDT by Red6
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I hate to see people suffer on both sides. Usually the common soldier does the most of it. I am damn glad I wasn't in the infantry. But in a war, there is right and wrong and as far as I am concerned, we have always been right. I strongly believe it is immoral to kill innocent women and children, but it is less moral to let the enemy kill yours instead of us killing theirs.
26 posted on 05/27/2006 7:34:50 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (LINCOLN COUNTY RED DEVILS STATE CHAMPIONS)
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"The 30-day battle for Manila had begun.

The devastation that followed was not on the scale of the Rape of Nanking in China. But at least 50,000 Filipinos died, many in acts of deliberate atrocity by the Japanese.

Of the 20 million people living in the Philippines at the start of the war, an estimated 1 million were killed during the Japanese occupation. "

http://www.iht.com/articles/1995/02/03/edwarn.php


31 posted on 05/27/2006 7:39:18 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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I doubt Clint will mention in his movie that what caused most of the Japanese dead in Iwo Jima was their culture of death (not that different from today's muslims) which preferred death to being captured. The crime against humanity that they committed was convincing the local Japanese civilian population that if they were captured by Americans they were going to be tortured, raped, and killed. Thousands of them committed suicide instead. Shame on Clint.


37 posted on 05/27/2006 7:44:24 PM PDT by winner3000
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IMHO showing BOTH sides as neither good nor bad does a terrible injustice to BOTH NATIONS at war.

Look.....the US was attacked we DID NOT ATTACK JAPAN!!

In the 'simpler' world that I grew up in that MEANT JAPAN was the BAD GUY and the US was the GOOD guy.

Nationalism and patriotism ASIDE, each country fights to survive.......but to paint the portrait that WAR is NEVER WORTH the suffering on both sides, diminishes both the INTITIAL ATTACK and the SUBSEQUENT victory as so much garbage.

I am so sick of the Politically Correct crap coming out of Hollywood that I could PUKE!!!

So much for the CONSERVATIVE Eastwood.

41 posted on 05/27/2006 7:47:52 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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It's not about winning or losing, but mostly about the interrupted lives of young people

Just wow, Clint. I hope you're talking about the thesis of your movie, and not about the nature of war itself.
57 posted on 05/27/2006 8:04:20 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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My father was one of the guys that invaded Iwo Jima. He also joined the invasion of Okinawa. I think it's fair to say he hates the Japanese as the devil hates holy water. He might even say a single Japanese escaping Iwo alive was one too many. Yet, I think he has spoken with respect of the folks on the other side of that struggle.

I don't think a movie from that perspective shows disrespect for the invaders. I look forward to seeing the movie from the US perspective. I likley won't see the other, even if it has sub-titles.

I have read a thing or two about General Kuribayashi, who was the Japanese commanding officer. Anything I have ever read about him suggests that telling the story from his perspective would be a tremendous compliment to the invaders. The way he commanded that battle suggests he certainly respected them.

59 posted on 05/27/2006 8:05:13 PM PDT by stevem
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