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Dobbs: Bush, Congress tell working folk to go to hell
CNN ^ | May 24, 2006 | Lou Dobbs

Posted on 05/24/2006 7:12:19 AM PDT by AZRepublican

NEW YORK (CNN) -- President Bush says that the installation of the new Iraqi government was a "watershed event," but at the same time warns Americans of the challenges and loss as we continue to prosecute the war against Iraqi insurgents. Sen. Harry Reid declares that legislation that would render English the national language is racist.

Thirty-seven Democrats vote for full amnesty for all illegal aliens in this country, even though nobody really knows whether the number is 11 million, 12 million or 20 million. The Senate Republican leadership demands that a "comprehensive immigration reform" plan must be passed before this Memorial Day weekend. And the president signs into law a tax cut that raises taxes on the educational funds of teenagers saving for college.

Never before in our country's history have both the president and Congress been so out of touch with most Americans. Never before have so few of our elected officials and corporate leaders been less willing to commit to the national interest. And never before has our nation's largest constituent group -- some 200 million middle-class Americans -- been without representation in our nation's capital.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; bushbots; dobbs; fauxlunchpailjoe; folk; hr4437; jesplainfolk; loudobbs; madashell; onenotelouie
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To: AZRepublican

Regarding the tax. a 14-17 year old has to have an income that it pretty high to be affected by the new law. The sting is that, as usual, it is night high enough, and as family incomes rise, it will stay the same. Pretty soon the shelter for college will be riddled for people in the middle of the middle class.


41 posted on 05/24/2006 7:55:55 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: dubyawhoiluv; in hoc signo vinces

What is wrong with his article? Specifically.


42 posted on 05/24/2006 7:56:30 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: B Knotts; Wurlitzer

But the political class is an elected group. It contains both Shiela Jackson Lee and George W Bush. I can't see how that's a "class." You can define subcultures, perhaps. Ivy leaguers. Lawyers. Blue bloods. Lots of ways to categorize. But classes? I don't think so. People move up and down throughout the income strata.


43 posted on 05/24/2006 7:58:19 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Huck

No chip on my shoulder about money. My investments earned 38% last year. Thanks for your concern though. My point is this: Just because you discount the "middle classes" as a fallacy does not mean that others do. Get over it.


44 posted on 05/24/2006 7:58:50 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Huck
Not only can we not put a fine point on it, we can't even determine what it means or who it applies to.

Or where, for that matter. In some places, $200k makes you fabulously wealthy. In other places, with $200k, you can barely afford rent and food.
45 posted on 05/24/2006 7:58:51 AM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: kabar
On immigration, Lou Dobbs gets it.

Lets really unstablize Mexico so the revived communists of South American can add one more nation to their list of USA's enemies. Nothing our enemies would like better than to have a fellow enemy nation share a 2000 mile border with us.

When 12 million people who are supporting 24 million Mexicans lose their jobs and are forced home what do you suppose they will do? That would mean 36 million our of 107 million mexicans would be starving. The most likely thing they would do is over throw the government of Mexico. And the new Mexican government will have just one choice to survive as a goverment.

That is they would make a deal with our enemies in exchange for economic aid. What do you suppose our enemies would want? How about unlimited insurgent access to that 2000 mile long border. Thirty six million starving people would not turn down food to save our but from insurgent attacks.

Our enemy list would include the militant Muslims, the resurgent Russians, as well as Castro and Chavez. Just how much mischief do you think they could do with that border.

To prevent them from sending thousands of insurgents accross our border we would have to bring the troops home from the middle east. I would have to the worlds longest battle line with orders to shoot on radar pickup.

With us out of the middle east what do the Militant Muslims do? They would use just take over the majority of the worlds oil supply. They would tell us if we want oil we will have to pay at least 700 dollars a barrel. Or perhaps just refuse to sell us oil at any price.

As our unemployment reached 50 percent, and our economy melted down to nothing, those Muslims might manage to get a few hundred insurgents accross our border. Even a 20 percent success rate would be enough for them. As unemployed Americans start dying at an Iraqi rate, do you suppose you would look yourself in the eye and say... "DAMN I AM GLAD WE GOT RID OF THOSE MEXICANS."

The problem with people like Dobbs is they never consider the consequences of what they propose to do.

Dobbs has never once considered what would happen to the Mexicans who were departed. And what their governemnt would do in response to their removal from the USA and its resulant starvation and poverty.

How many US citizens are you willing to see die, in order to deport 10 million Mexicans? That is the question.

If that answer is none then they stay. If the answer is only a few hundred thousand.. then they go.

The real question to separate teh hypocrits from the true beleivers is those who would be willing to give their own life in order to depor the 10 or 12 million Mexicans.

46 posted on 05/24/2006 8:01:33 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Huck

Really! We don't have classes, eh? That's why three generations of the Kennedy family with mediocre academic bankgrounds have gone to Harvard before becoming adult idle rich and politicians and three generations of the Black dynasty have worked at various professions for their entire lives.

Just keep telling yourself we're all the same, and that what is good for the inhereted wealth super rich is good for the guy making 100K a year. That's what we are intended to believe by politicians. That's why Ms. Kerry paid taxes at 1/3 the rate that I do, as a normal working stiff.


47 posted on 05/24/2006 8:01:53 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: dubyawhoiluv

"fat pig howling in attempt to raise his scum bottom ratings"

Don't talk about the president that way.


48 posted on 05/24/2006 8:06:20 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: CertainInalienableRights; taxed2death

And I presume these terms (middle class/poor) relate to America only, right? In other words, what's poor here isn't necessarily the same as what's poor in, say, Honduras? Thus, in America, one can have a residence, a car, a job, food on the table, and enough disposable income for cable tv, movies, fast food and even cruises to the Bahamas and still be considered "poor", while in Honduras that might make you king. It's relative to America's "standard of living", wouldn't you say?


49 posted on 05/24/2006 8:06:26 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: taxed2death


What it asserts in the title...specifically.

Thanks,

In Hoc


50 posted on 05/24/2006 8:07:01 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Common Tator

"The problem with people like Dobbs is they never consider the consequences of what they propose to do."

_______________________________________________

Neither do you.

Let's give 12 million...or 22 million illegals (depending on who's number you decide to use) a "pathway to citizenship"...so they can each petition 16 family members to come in too.

Do we have enough lettuce to pick to support 12,000,000 x 16?

Do the math.


You think they'll vote Republican? I thought not.

Build a wall, let the Mexicans deal with the crappy government they've elected. And while you're at it, stay the hell out of my wallet.


51 posted on 05/24/2006 8:07:40 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Jack Black

lol. I never said we're all the same. I think that's called a straw man. I said we don't have classes. The Blacks are free to obtain wealth and pass it on to their families, and make social connections and use them to their advantage. It's a free country.


52 posted on 05/24/2006 8:08:16 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Huck

Group think. Remember we are not individuals. We must be, think, act, everything as THE GROUP, A GROUP, ANY GROUP, just as long as WE DO IT AS A GROUP. No individuals. Not in SOCIALIST AMERIKA!!!


53 posted on 05/24/2006 8:08:47 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (You better prepare, the war is coming to the USA VERY SOON!)
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To: Huck

"It's relative to America's "standard of living", wouldn't you say?"

Absolutely
it is not constant.. Just like time.....it is relevant to where you are.


54 posted on 05/24/2006 8:10:14 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Huck
It's an ink blot, not an objective term with a clear meaning. Working poor? What is poor? And how old does money have to be to be old?

Paging Bill Clinton...

55 posted on 05/24/2006 8:11:00 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Huck
We don't have classes in our society

Sure we do. We have the ruling class and we have the subjects

56 posted on 05/24/2006 8:12:24 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: dubyawhoiluv
fat pig howling in attempt to raise his scum bottom ratings

It would be nice if at least a few of you folks hopping on the thread to make comments like this one would explain what it is that is in the article that you disagree with. Dobbs nails it on the immigration issue.

57 posted on 05/24/2006 8:12:40 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: dubyawhoiluv
"fat pig howling in attempt to raise his scum bottom ratings"

Hahahaha!

58 posted on 05/24/2006 8:13:58 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Wild open borders are so pre-9/11.)
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To: AZRepublican

Lou is one of the few people with any balls in the media who will dare to tell the truth about illegal immigration.


59 posted on 05/24/2006 8:14:06 AM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: Junior_G
"It would be nice if at least a few of you folks hopping on the thread to make comments like this one would explain what it is that is in the article that you disagree with."

Just keep repeating.."CNN is not my friend. CNN is not my friend." Click your heals twice and it may come to you.

60 posted on 05/24/2006 8:17:03 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Wild open borders are so pre-9/11.)
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