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Bush Losing Hispanics? (GOP ship of state becoming the Titanic?)
The American Thinker ^ | May 21, 2006 | Richard Baehr

Posted on 05/21/2006 12:41:14 PM PDT by quidnunc

So claims the Washington Post. The GOP is on the verge of a major electoral disaster. Each week more House seats once considered safe (60-65% for Bush in 04) are now on the endangered list for incumbent GOP congressmen. The list is probably over 50 at this point,and may grow some more. 

More GOP senators are now in trouble. Add Jon Kyl of Arizoan to the list. He is now but 7 points ahead of a very wealthy competitor (last three polls showed him up 29, then 15, now 7). Seven GOP Senate seats are at risk and 3 Demcratic seats (maybe 4 if Mfume wins Democratic primary in Maryland).

Bush tried to thread the needle on immigration — appeal to both conservatives and Hispanics — and failed. He needed to get this bill through before passions were ignited, but his political weakness prevented that.

Many Hispanics apparently were radicalized by the mass demonstrations, and no longer are open to any appeal for a balanced immigration plan.

The demonstrations also hardened attitudes on the  right. If Bush is forced to choose, and goes with his conservative base, he likely writes off the chance of a 40% or more GOP Hispanic vote share for decades, and the result will be similar to what happened in Califronia  after Pete Wilson’s immigration referendums (a 20% GOP voting share of Hispanics).

That spells big trouble for the GOP all over the country. Hispanics were 7% of national vote in 04, and will likely be 9% in 08. This group split 4 to 3 of the 7% in 04. If they split 7 to 2 or 6 to 3 of the 9% in 08, the GOP could be toast in the Presidential race. We could be seeing the end of the GOP’s dream of being a majority party this year.


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To: photodawg

let's not start throwing around the "racism" term - I never claimed to personally know all the beliefs of every possible latino american based on nation of origin.


61 posted on 05/21/2006 3:44:25 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: photodawg
Tell someone of Cuban origin that they are Puerto Rican.

Tell someone of Ecuadorean origin that they are Mexican.

Tell someone of Mexican origin that they are Honduran.

Call them Hispanics?

How about whites?

Tell someone of Italian origin that they are French.

Tell someone of German origin that they are Polish.

Tell someone of Irish origin that they are English.

They are all white, but to imply they are all monolithic in voting shows an ignorance that the author of the article wears like an anchor.
62 posted on 05/21/2006 3:45:49 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: oceanview

I suggest politicians add a no or yes to their R or D..No meaning no to Anarchy, Amnesty and end of the USA, Yes for yes to Anarchy,Amnesty and end of the USA..simple huh?


63 posted on 05/21/2006 3:46:15 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Polybius

Yes I know and you glide down on parasols. LOL


64 posted on 05/21/2006 3:46:23 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: nicmarlo
I'm not shocked or surprised.
The very reason, 'Snake Oil" companies go bankrupt...fast!

 

65 posted on 05/21/2006 3:51:59 PM PDT by Smartass (Vaya con Dios - And forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who put trash in our baskets)
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To: quidnunc

So Mexicans elected Vicente Fox in their own country - who will they elect here? I'm sure it won't be anyone smarter or more honest then Fox.


66 posted on 05/21/2006 3:59:27 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: Smartass

: )


67 posted on 05/21/2006 4:07:31 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: nicmarlo; potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; devolve; OXENinFLA; bitt; La Enchiladita; JustPiper; ...

Bush Is Losing Hispanics' Support, Polls Show

Surveys Find the Immigration Debate Is Also Alienating White Conservatives

Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, May 21, 2006; Page A06

Hispanic voters, many of whom responded favorably to President Bush's campaign appeals emphasizing patriotism, family and religious values in Spanish-language media in 2004, are turning away from the administration on immigration and a host of other issues, according to a new survey.

 Fulls story

 


68 posted on 05/21/2006 4:13:43 PM PDT by Smartass (Vaya con Dios - And forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who put trash in our baskets)
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To: RFT1

I agree with your analysis. The "business" wing of the GOP is cutting its own throat.


69 posted on 05/21/2006 4:19:09 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: pennboricua
Yes I know and you glide down on parasols. LOL

Y, cuando aterrisamos, somos el ombligo del mundo. ;-)

It is amusing to read some liberal writer without a clue speaking of so-called "Hispanics" as a monolithic block. The only thing we all have in common is that we are all very Politically Incorrect, especially when we are talking about each other.

70 posted on 05/21/2006 4:19:30 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Smartass

bump!


71 posted on 05/21/2006 4:21:42 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: quidnunc

Since most Latino Americans don't want the USA to be over-run by millions of more illegals, Bush could have won everyone's respect by closing the border. Now it is getting messed up and confused. Do conservative things and you will have no problem.

I had a lengthy conversation with a die-hard liberal in my town today and she is upset about the invasion.

I think Republicans have let a great opportunity go by the wayside.

Bush doesn't need to choose, he needs to do what is right, and that is to close the border from further invasion.


72 posted on 05/21/2006 4:23:02 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Smartass

Guess Bill Krystol and Juan Williams didn't get the memo -- I just listened to their drivel on Fox...


73 posted on 05/21/2006 4:28:46 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: photodawg
No new law, at this point, short of closing the borders and penalizing those illegals already here will satisfy the American people on this issue.

Which is the point I have been making, to wit: if the debate in 2006 is not about expulsion/deportation, but rather amnesty/citizenship, where will the line be drawn in 2026?

74 posted on 05/21/2006 4:29:25 PM PDT by lemura
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To: RFT1
do business owners and managers

Bud, they're way ahead of us. Offshore accounts, changes of domecile & multi-layered asset protection plans will allow them to spirit away their ill gotten gains.

75 posted on 05/21/2006 4:32:06 PM PDT by lemura
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To: Mr. Mojo

>>>"Does the GOP establishment honestly believe that by giving 30 million Hispanics (and their tens of millions of relatives) amenesty they have a chance in hell of securing even a small fraction of their vote? This amnesty would be an electoral disaster beyond their worst nightmares."

As I recall the contentious numbers, post-election polling after Bush's second election showed about 40 percent of Hispanics voted for Bush.

The highest were Cubans in Florida at around 51 percent (I faintly recall them being over 50 percent but I could be wrong), then Texas Hispanics around 45 % (less than 50 percent but not too shabby), then northeastern Hispanics (Puerto Rico?), and finally Californian/West Coast Hispanics around 35 percent. Bush only did well with Cubans. Texas Hispanics didn't go against him very much. Anyone with better recall of the statistics, please join in.

But the bulk of the Hispanics (and it's resulting average) showed that wooing Hispanics was a losing proposition because: 1) he'll never get over 50 percent and 2) by pandering to Hispanics, he loses his HUGE non-Hispanic voters. What's interesting with the Hispanic voters is the high percentage that are for controlling illegal immigration (I think they are worried for their wage rates.)

These immigration bills demonstrate bad "strategery." There is still time (but barely) to recover (shut down the border tight as a drum, clamp down on employers, etc.). But it is doubtful that the current cast of characters will admit their errors. They will blunder on with their ship of state staring directly into the beams of the lighthouse.


76 posted on 05/21/2006 4:41:25 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Arizona Carolyn
When Juan Williams comes on FOX News, I change channels.
To me, Williams suffers from a defective liberal implant chip.

Billy Krystol cycles up, and down. One day he's supportive of an issue,
the next he doesn't get it straight.
77 posted on 05/21/2006 4:42:19 PM PDT by Smartass (Vaya con Dios - And forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who put trash in our baskets)
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To: quidnunc
If Bush is forced to choose, and goes with his conservative base, he likely writes off the chance of a 40% or more GOP Hispanic vote share for decades, and the result will be similar to what happened in Califronia after Pete Wilson’s immigration referendums (a 20% GOP voting share of Hispanics).

Again, this is false. Wilson did not cause the changes. It was California's failure to implement Prop 187 that caused that. Wilson had strong support as has every other anti-illegals candidate.

hat spells big trouble for the GOP all over the country. Hispanics were 7% of national vote in 04, and will likely be 9% in 08. This group split 4 to 3 of the 7% in 04. If they split 7 to 2 or 6 to 3 of the 9% in 08, the GOP could be toast in the Presidential race. We could be seeing the end of the GOP’s dream of being a majority party this year.

This bizarre amnesty program will end the GOP's chances for decades if it passes. The uneducated working-class Hispanics, many with poor dependents, will always be more susceptible to the Dims promising them goodies. They already are voting 80% Dim in recent elections. Bringing in even more of them will absolutely doom the GOP.
78 posted on 05/21/2006 4:43:42 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: RFT1

"The non liberal white Democratic voters......"

No such people.


79 posted on 05/21/2006 4:44:56 PM PDT by Luke21 (Democrats hate us, our heritage, and our religion. They think we belong in cages. Never forget.)
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To: Smartass

Juan is almost comical he's such a characature.. Kristol is to elite to get it.


80 posted on 05/21/2006 4:45:27 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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