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DNA hints at Jill the Ripper
Herald Sun ^ | 17 May 2006 | Jade Bilowol

Posted on 05/16/2006 8:48:57 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

JACK the Ripper could well be a Jill.

In a bid to crack the identity of one of the greatest murder mysteries of all time, technology developed in Australia has tested 118-year-old DNA the notorious serial killer may have left behind and built a partial female profile. Scientist Ian Findlay today said the partial profile had been created from saliva possibly from the Ripper on the back of stamps on the envelopes of letters sent to London police.

Most of the 600 or so letters claiming to have come from the Ripper – who butchered at least five prostitutes in London's East End in 1888 – have been dismissed as hoaxes but a few are thought to be genuine.

Brisbane-based Professor Findlay said he used his method, called Cell Track-ID, capable of extracting and compiling a DNA fingerprint from a single cell or strand of hair up to 160 years old.

It can amplify information from a single cell and is hundreds of times more powerful than DNA profiling techniques used by crime fighting bodies such as the FBI that require at least 200 human cells.

"It's possible the Ripper could be female but the results are inconclusive," said Prof Findlay, who is the chief scientific officer at the Gribbles Molecular Science forensic lab.

He said because the samples were so old, very small and poorly preserved, only a partial profile was built that "didn't reach forensic standards" nor identified an individual.

"It shows the technology works ... the FBI lab in Virginia got no profiles ... but the samples were just too difficult," Prof Findlay said.

The partial profile was built from what is known as the Openshaw letter.

"The Dear Boss letter, said to have blood stains from (victim number five) Mary Kelly had a male profile so it wasn't the blood of Mary Kelly," he also said.

Prof Findlay tested hair and debunked the belief it was from another mutilated victim, Catherine Eddowes.

The detective in charge of the case, Frederick Abberline, suggested the Ripper was a woman following claims Ms Kelly was seen hours after she was killed.

Abberline believed this was the killer escaping in Kelly's clothes.

Mary Pearcey was the only female suspect and was convicted and hanged for killing her lover's wife shortly after the Ripper murders – and reportedly used the same modus operandi.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: feminists; jacktheripper; jilltheripper
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To: Aussie Dasher
I've not seen the movie but the rest I can relate to in a big way!

See the movie!!

Australian small town Americana........

21 posted on 05/16/2006 9:24:43 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I'm a proud GRINGO......is Bill Clinton still the president?...Seems that way sometimes!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Mary Pearcy

22 posted on 05/16/2006 9:28:36 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Jack the Ripper is the Loch Ness Monster...

I saw it on television...

23 posted on 05/16/2006 9:31:10 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: martin_fierro

She's a looker.


24 posted on 05/16/2006 9:31:24 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ISLAM: The Other Psychosis)
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To: Chena

LOL...good one! :-)


25 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Chena
Oh gee...you ARE in a funny mood tonight, aren't you? LOL

Actually, "RIPPEROLOGIST" is what people are called, who are interested in and know all about Jack the Ripper. :-)

26 posted on 05/16/2006 9:44:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Aussie Dasher

Either Conan Doyle or H.G wells postulated a theory that the Ripper was female. My money's still on Druitt.


27 posted on 05/16/2006 9:50:10 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: nopardons

Chalk it up to spring follies. LOL Seriously though, I didn't know that "Ripperologist" was a real term, but it does fit. I'm a mystery buff myself, and have read some about the Ripper, but I find this article to be rather silly and downright "whoreable". ;)


28 posted on 05/16/2006 9:54:20 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: nopardons
Didn't some female American author have the DNA analysis done on stamps about four years ago? I don't remember the result,
but I don't think it showed any female DNA.

The tv show/segment was not quite Geraldo's safe, but that's all I remember of it.

Check out the links at asylumeclectica.com

The webmistress collects links to sites of morbid curiosity. She did have links to some Ripper sites, with pictures, of course.

29 posted on 05/16/2006 10:06:59 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: PzLdr

Jack and Jill went through the mill
to fetch a pale girl's slaughter
Jack's fell down
and lost his crown,
will Jill come tumbling after?


30 posted on 05/16/2006 10:10:02 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Chena
My husband and I are both Ripperologists and are also fascinated with Lizzy Bordern. Unfortunately, there is no name for the later type of "fan"; for want of a better word. And yes, indeed, Ripperologist is a very REAL word. :-)

Well, whatever you want to chalk it up to, you are in rare form tonight; very clever and VERY funny...down to and including your last pun! LOL

I like mysteries too. Do you like the great English lady ones? Have you ever read the series written by Allingham? I love her books and, of course, Tey, Christie, and Sayers.

31 posted on 05/16/2006 10:26:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Calvin Locke
Yep, Patricia Cornwall, who writes crime novels. I saw the T.V. show, which was okay and read her book "PORTRAIT OF A KILLER", which was far too gruesome for me to get through. That T.V. show was based on this book, but contained far less info.

As much as I know about Jack the Ripper and the gory details, Cornwall REALLY goes into every single gruesome detail and then some, in her book and it just wasn't for me. Also, no, she really doesn't prove her case.

Thanks for the site info; I'll have to look into that! :-)

32 posted on 05/16/2006 10:33:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Aussie Dasher
I found a picture of the person from way back then. I think they are related to someone we know today.


33 posted on 05/16/2006 10:38:00 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

I thought the best was "Welcome to Woop Woop" (but I have a twisted sense of humor)
"What is you can't face" Sound of Music quote, comes out rather differently in the movie!


34 posted on 05/16/2006 10:42:47 PM PDT by BruceysMom (.I'm hot & not in a good way, menopause ain't for sissies.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
If they decide that she was a lesbian acting out her repression against society, will California demand that it be included in their new textbooks? ;-)

-PJ

35 posted on 05/16/2006 10:45:57 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I had heard there was pretty strong evidence it was a Canadian queer named Francis Tumptley, who was dismissed as a suspect at the time because he was a known homosexual.


36 posted on 05/16/2006 10:48:38 PM PDT by Energy Alley ("War on Christians" = just another professional victim group.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

those are the worst teeth I have ever seen,


37 posted on 05/16/2006 10:52:12 PM PDT by Energy Alley ("War on Christians" = just another professional victim group.)
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To: PzLdr
'My money's still on Druitt."

How about Eddy, the Duke of Clarence?

38 posted on 05/17/2006 4:33:14 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

There's conclusive evidence he was in Scotland for at least one of the murders [two, if it was the night of the doubleheader]. Plus, if you compare the photos, Druitt's almost a dead ringer for Eddie, and closely matches the description of the man seen exiting Mitre [p/s?] Square after the Eddowes murder.


39 posted on 05/17/2006 5:30:04 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Aussie Dasher
There's no evidence that any of the Ripper letters are from the killer, with the possible exception of one that included part of a human kidney (sent not to the police, but to George Lusk, the head of a local Whitechapel vigilante group.) Most of letters were fabrications by hoaxers and reporters, who recognized a hundred years ago that a good story sells copy.
40 posted on 05/17/2006 5:37:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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