Posted on 05/11/2006 5:46:17 PM PDT by Man50D
FairTax Rally and a special invitation to you
You are invited as special guests and participants to the Neal Boortz FairTax Rally to be held May 24th at the Gwinnett Convention Center outside Atlanta. Not only will this rally feature Congressman John Linder, WSB talk show host Neal Boortz, and FOX News star and conservative commentator Sean Hannity, but also FairTax.org leaders will be on hand, as well as FairTax activist and leader Herman Cain.
The goal of this rally, which will be broadcast nationally on Sean Hannity's FOX program, “Hannity & Colmes,” is to "kick up" the heat on national leaders to get the FairTax legislation moving. Join us for the this free rally and enjoy history in the making with fellow FairTaxers.
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2006
Start time: 7:30 p.m.
Who: Neal Boortz
What: Free FairTax Rally
Where: Gwinnett Convention Center 6400 Sugarloaf Parkway Duluth, Georgia 30097
(800) 224-6422
Directions to Gwinnett Center: http://www.gwinnettcenter.com/pages/header/h_maps.html
Why: Neal Boortz is sick and tired of the IRS! He wants the IRS abolished and replaced with the FairTax!
Joining Neal Boortz at the rally:
Sean Hannity
Georgia Congressman John Linder
Herman Cain
FairTax.org leaders Consumer advocate Clark Howard Special musical guests Banks & Shane
There is no charge for this event and tickets are not required.
Please R.S.V.P. for your chance at front row seats to http://bigwinner.cxri.net/Contest.asp?r=10004&s=10732.
Visit Americans For Fair Taxation, www.FairTax.org, to find out more about the FairTax.
They try to hide their agenda by their use of the dishonest "prebate" label.
I see things are still lively over here...
Illicit drugs, Salvation Army cast offs, used cars? Scam.
The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money
See how easy real tax reform is and to do away with socialism?
Fine, now where is the proposal from 2/3rds Congress and the 3/4 of the states to ratify said amendment under Article V of the constitution. Looking around to see taxes done away with, and haven't found any such proposal in the last 200 years and non in Congress yet.
Not to mention the lack of plan to use to prevent Congress from enacting socialist programs and financing them with inflation as they have a want to do regardless of any lack in tax revenues.
Sorry, all you do is call for a tax system no one supports, nor is going to support. In fact was done away with 120 years ago with the last time they tried to apportion taxes to the states.
Seems apportioned taxes are kind of hard to collect from state treasuries, so the recourse of the Federal government in such cases in the past is to hold the individual property owner liable for any lack of performance on the part of state governments.
Refer to how apportioned taxes have actually been administered in real life by Congresses of the past:
But don't let a few political facts of life about federal taxation get in the way of a good fantasy.
the only tax reform we need:
The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money
A.G. wrote:
Fine, now where is the proposal from 2/3rds Congress and the 3/4 of the states to ratify said amendment under Article V of the constitution. Looking around to see taxes done away with, and haven't found any such proposal in the last 200 years and non in Congress yet.
And tell us A.G., where is the proposal from the supporters of H.R. 25 to forbid Congress from calculating a tax from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money?
Fact is, if H.R. 25 were adopted, and its language followed to the letter, and even if the 16th Amendment were repealed as promised, not only would the misery of present taxation remain very much alive [the costly and time consuming record keeping for paying taxes calculated from income], but an additional rule book would be created under H.R. 25 leaving the American people and businesses with two rule books to follow___the one created under H.R. 25 and the rule book for paying taxes calculated from income. Want the irrefutable proof? See THIS POST
In addition, the following is from the new edition of the Neal Boortz propaganda book! (pages 191-192)
Professor Kotlikoff makes one more interesting point: Under our current tax code, there are about 140 million "collection points" for the income tax - that is, 140 million American wage earners and businesses. Implement the FairTax, and the number of collection points goes down to about 20 million. The likelihood of a tax cheats being caught are quite a bit higher if you cut the number of tax collection points by about 86 percent.
The number of collection points goes down to about 20 million? Fact is, H.R. 25 will increase the number of federal tax gathers to an all time high!
H.R. 25 would expand the number of federal tax gathers to include individual tradesmen and entrepreneurs, and even ordinary working people engaged in self employment, forcing them to all "register" with folks in government in order to pursue a livelihood [ see SEC. 502. REGISTRATION].
In addition, These poor souls will also have to keep burdensome records and reports as Congress may so desire. The path which leads to such oppression is found in the language of H.R. 25:
SEC. 407. JURISDICTION.
`(a) STATE JURISDICTION- A sales tax administering authority shall have jurisdiction over any gross payments made which have a destination (as determined in accordance with section 405) within the State of said sales tax administering authority. This grant of jurisdiction is not exclusive of any other jurisdiction that such sales tax administering authority may have.
(b) FEDERAL JURISDICTION- The grant of jurisdiction in subsection (a) shall not be in derogation of Federal jurisdiction over the same matter. The Federal Government shall have the right to exercise preemptive jurisdiction over matters relating to the taxes imposed by this subtitle.
I would continue A.G. but I think the above is sufficient ammunition to expose the Neal Boortz propaganda concerning his version of tax reform.
Regards,
JWK___ a proud supporter of our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN
Lively? The FT HorseHockey never ends...
And tell us A.G., where is the proposal from the supporters of H.R. 25 to forbid Congress from calculating a tax from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money?
LOL, it is you who figures such is easily done. Not I.
I look at past performance and the fact that the electorate is solidly against the use of both retail sales tax and income taxes at the same time preventing such use in the future.
For bottomline that is the only place protection against such taxation has ever come from. For Congress has always had the power, whether exercised or not ,to collect both types of taxes (as excises and duties) eversince the ratification of the Constitution in 1785.
As you admit, repeal of the 16th Amendment alone does not remove the pre-existing power of Congress to enact a levy of taxes on wages, salaries, incomes from business profits or any other lawfully realized money, commercial activity or levies on property ownership.
In point of fact your amendment leaves out a prohibition against the levy of taxes on commercial activities, thus does not prevent federal taxation of businesses on their sales revenues or any portion thereof as you appear to want to claim for it.
Perhaps that is what you actually intend to finance federal government with afterall. When all is said and done, your apportionment plan being a mere ruse to accomplish the forcing of such taxation. For it is certain that when the feds rediscover the historical fact that apportioned taxes to be paid by state treasuries are uncollectable, taxes on commercial activities and property enforced on the individual are readily collectable in comparison.
What "past preformance"? Many states have both.
Inventing "facts" is S.O.P. for the "fair" tax cult.
In Georgia, we pay 6% income tax and about 7% sales tax, at the same time! And the electorate seems to be perfectly fine with it. We also pay a tax on our property, as well as a tax on our cars.
Where do you get this stuff?
I would continue A.G. but I think the above is sufficient ammunition to expose the Neal Boortz propaganda concerning his version of tax reform.
And what exposure is that? seeing as the FairTax legislation has never been claimed to be anything other than a retail sales tax collected by anyone, individual or corporate, engaged in a retail business selling new goods and services to the consumer rather than other businesses.
But don't let facts get in the way of your conspiracy fantasies.
Buy the way Neal Boortz had nothing to do with the authoring or writing and creation of the FairTax legislation, so it is hardly his version of tax reform. Federal Retail sales taxes have been proposed for many decades now, and were turned down by the liberals of FDR's administration offered as an alternative to tax witholding and income taxes back then.
Interesting that the socialist half of this country unfailingly rejects retail sales taxes throughout the last century in favor of the income and wage taxes they have repeatedly espoused over the years and continue today in their nearly universal rejection of the FairTax legislation.
How does it feel, JWK to be exposed as being on the same side of the tax reform spectrum as the socialists you pretend to despise?
It should be noted that of the 52 co-sponsors of the current FairTax legislation in the House not one Democrat is to be found.
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Yep, we have a state income tax and a state sales tax in California as well. "Fair" taxers are apparently free to invent "facts" as they need them.
In Georgia, we pay 6% income tax and about 7% sales tax, at the same time!
If you haven't noticed, we happen to be talking about taxation at the federal level. Not states. But don't let facts get in the way of your Strawmen.
Most of the co-sponsors will run fast away from H.R.25 once they realize that they have been sold a load of bull by the promoters, even if they do have "the highest first week for a paperback in 40 years!". The whole thing is a misrepresentation, wrapped in a lie, surrounded by Kool-Aid drinking myrmidons.
Regards,
JWK
There has never been a general sales tax at the federal level, even before the income tax, so your "past performance" assertion was self-serving tripe.
Interesting, that most of them have been co-sponsors from several years now isn't it.
But let you fantasies roar, your good at that.
Not really, we were talking about what the electorate will let the politicians get away with. And clearly they let politicians get away with both.
In the case of the FairTax I expect the income tax would be reintroduced as an emergency tax once the bulk of the economy went underground or disappeared into the "used" market, and the income tax would only be on Rich people who earned more than say $75,000 per year, say 20% tax, they won't miss it, they're rich anyway.
No strawmen over here.
There has never been a general sales tax at the federal level, even before the income tax, so your "past performance" assertion was self-serving tripe.
It is to be noted there has been however federal income taxes in place since the 1860's, and retail sales taxes nor any form of general sales tax has been added on.
And you figure, with no support whatsoever in history, of both being laid at the same time in the near future?
OL, the only tripe around here is the "self-serving" tripe coming from you.
They are politicians, they don't actually have to understand what they are supporting until there is a snowball's chance that it will pass. We are one or two ice ages away from that event. Once the bill is subjected to any peer review besides the sycophants who currently make a living making the FairTax statistics up, the whole thing will be exposed for the joke it is.
Go look on the FairTax message boards, they are all disgusted that they have been sold the "Keep 100% of paycheck, prices stay the same" crap for years. It's called lying to your customers and it doesn't make them happy in the long run.
You might as well start over and tell the truth this time.
Is is to be noted that your red herring has nothing to do with your absurd falsehood about "past performance".
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