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U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols (telling the Mexican government)
Daily Bulletin ^ | 5/9/2006 | Sara A Carter

Posted on 05/09/2006 6:21:25 AM PDT by IrishMike

While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are. According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.

"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailybulletin.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; falsestory; getaclue; gwot; illegalimmigration; illegals; incorrectstory; loudobbs; mexicans; mexico; minutemanproject; minutemen; moonbatbarking; nationalsecurity; notaccurate; nutcases; saraacarter; saracarter; wot
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To: pbrown; DumpsterDiver; IrishMike; All

Chris Simcox is scheduled to be interviewed on Dayside on Fox at 1:20pm Eastern Time, 10:20 Pacific time (per the MMCDC blog)


481 posted on 05/09/2006 10:19:40 AM PDT by kstewskis (Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
"I thought this whole issue was about people obeying the law."

American law. I could give a damn about foreign or international law unless I'm a guest in a foreign country. I've been stationed all over the world and I understand following the rules of a foreign country. Again, that's not the issue for me. When you invade my country I don't care about your rights--civil, international or intergalactic for that matter. All I care about is sending you back. Once you get there you can have a chat with your government representatives and tell them why you invaded a sovereign country.

482 posted on 05/09/2006 10:19:44 AM PDT by blaquebyrd (Allegiance to country before party)
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To: P-40

That caught my eye, too. I find it hard to believe that it was just an accidental slip of the tongue.


483 posted on 05/09/2006 10:19:47 AM PDT by Korth
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To: Tammy8
Are you saying that the Mexican government should be told where CBP and ICE officers and agents are operating, as well as DEA and other LE that operate on the border?

Unfortunately, it is very likely that this does happen.

484 posted on 05/09/2006 10:20:15 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: papertyger

"Dude, judicial appointments is rearranging deck chairs if laws are selectively enforced."

That bears repeating.


485 posted on 05/09/2006 10:21:18 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: All

"I thought this whole issue was about people obeying the law."

Illegal immigrants are breaking the law by entering our country in an illegal manor.


486 posted on 05/09/2006 10:23:18 AM PDT by VOATNOW1
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

This is insane, this would mean if I call in a tip about smuggling or illegals (which I do) to BP, then they have to tell the Mexican Government who and where I am?? That is all the Minutemen are doing, phoning in information.

I know you did not write this, but surely with your LE background you can see what is wrong with this picture.


487 posted on 05/09/2006 10:23:21 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Hawk1976
Claire, is it soon?

It's time now, but nobody wants to start first.

488 posted on 05/09/2006 10:25:07 AM PDT by Aarchaeus
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To: Mr. Mojo
First of all, taking the vote of the GOP base for granted is a fool's assumption, and secondly the GOP has always been notoriously unsuccessful at winning over minority groups through pandering.

Agreed - Republicans are horrible at winning over minority groups through pandering. I really think that the strategy will be to ramp up the some homosexual agenda issues before the election to get the GOP faithful back in line.

489 posted on 05/09/2006 10:25:09 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: IrishMike
"Mexico's official perception of the civilian groups is that they are vigilantes..."

Horsesh!t!

The Mex government, such as it is, undoubtedly perceives the Minutemen as effective, and therefore a threat to the income stream from wetbacks sending money back home!

490 posted on 05/09/2006 10:25:56 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: jpsb

It's not just him- the article makes it sound like the Minutemen are making arrests, I think they made it sound that way to justify what they are doing, which of course there is no justification for.


491 posted on 05/09/2006 10:25:56 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: TLI
That's fine. All my RNC money is now going to the minute men.

If you tell the RNC your money now goes to the Minutemen, do they pass your name on to the Mexican government?

492 posted on 05/09/2006 10:26:42 AM PDT by dagnabbit (George Bush deported my children to Amerexico.)
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To: JeffAtlanta; B4Ranch
this animal has too many voices to be silenced

Truth is not Invalidated by Suppression

493 posted on 05/09/2006 10:26:45 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: Korth
I find it hard to believe that it was just an accidental slip of the tongue.

There certainly is an attempt to paint the Minutemen as somehow non-American. That comment sounds like part of that attempt.
494 posted on 05/09/2006 10:26:56 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: B4Ranch; DumpsterDiver

DD, sent the link on FR. Just got back from there. Outrage on this is at a boiling point.


495 posted on 05/09/2006 10:27:05 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Walkin Man

"Unbelievable, outrageous, and sickening!
This is what we get from a so-called "conservative, right-wing" government???
For all those who pronounce the imminent doom of the Republic if the rat party takes over this year my question would be:
What the *ell would be the difference????"

When it comes to national security, winning in Iraq, and fighting the war on terror, I am not willing to leave it in the hands of Democrats. Outraged as I am at Bush's siding with them on this issue, there must be some way to elect Republicans who WILL do the job that Bush won't.

Again I ask, does anyone know where I can get a list of Republicans who are running in November? I want to support anyone who is FOR effective border security (wall or fence and patrols) and AGAINST earned amnesty.


496 posted on 05/09/2006 10:27:27 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

It shouldn't come into play, but it seems that it is. I see no justificatio for the Border Patrol to tell the Mexican government anything about the activities of the Minutemen or me or any other citizen that is calling them with tips.


497 posted on 05/09/2006 10:28:58 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: texastoo
No doubt, somewhere in NAFTA, CAFTA or the FTAA, there is something written that protects the migrants as they cross the border with or without work permits.

Thanks for the link. It seems like advocating the termination the NAFTA, CAFTA and FTAA treaties would be a winning campaign issue.

498 posted on 05/09/2006 10:29:40 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: jpsb; BeHoldAPaleHorse

Another one of those "if you repeat the lie enough times some stupids will believe it" political talking points operative.

I hope the pay is good, the tactics are getting OLD.


499 posted on 05/09/2006 10:29:49 AM PDT by tertiary01 (The Pubs have no one to blame but themselves for their defeat if the borders are not closed!)
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To: IrishMike
"Once an illegal alien is apprehended, they can request counsel," he said. "We have to give their counsel the information

Let me guess, OUR tax dollars are being spent to provide FREE lawyers for people invading our country? Absolute insanity!

500 posted on 05/09/2006 10:29:59 AM PDT by jamaly (I evacuate early and often!)
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