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Republican Right Abandoning Bush
MSNBC ^ | May 5, 2006 | AP

Posted on 05/06/2006 1:34:58 AM PDT by wotan

WASHINGTON - Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.

Six months out, the intensity of opposition to Bush and Congress has risen sharply, along with the percentage of Americans who believe the nation is on the wrong track.

The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans. Elections in the middle of a president’s term traditionally favor the party whose core supporters are the most energized.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ayres; bush; bushbots; bushburnedthebase; bushisfraud; damnstraight; dramaqueens; ipsos; nevervotingrinoagain; poll; takemyballandgohome; term2; thanktherinos
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To: Straight Vermonter
I think you have exactly the attitude---a correct one---that most conservatives have: inhttp://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post#help see help for more information a poll, "Is Bush doing a good job, blah, blah," the answer is "Hell, no!" But if broken down, "Why isn't he doing a good job?" the answers mostly deal with illegals and spending. There is also the gas price relationship, which is an issue.

HOWEVER,, on election day, no one in their right mind DARES turn this country over to the Dems, no matter how bad the alternative with the GOP. I personally might "not vote" senator in protest to DeWhine, but only because I know there is no chance the Dems can win the Senate. If there were, even I would vote for DeWhine.

The media's wishful thinking on polls is setting the Dems up for a HUGE loss--maybe not in sheer numbers (I've been predicting a GOP senate GAIN of one to two seats, House, one to five)---but in terms of expectations.

201 posted on 05/06/2006 6:24:23 AM PDT by LS
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To: papertyger

""It's not like Bush and the Republicans can't make a correction, you know. Just like with Miers, all he has to do seal the borders and all is forgiven.""


What people here dont understand is Bush as a core belief believes in open borders. If he were to seal them, it would be one of the biggest flip flops in modern political history. It would show Bush to be nothing more than a crass politician. His approval ratings would not go up. The MSM would hammer him for being an opportunist.

Amazing how many people here want a GOP conservative version of Bill Clinton


202 posted on 05/06/2006 6:25:49 AM PDT by georgia2006
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To: wvobiwan

No, you're dead wrong. I've been out canvassing for Blackwell here in OH, and while illegals is a BIG issue---even Ken Blackwell is starting to include "enforcement" talk in his governor stump speeches---NO ONE thinks the Dems can be trusted at all on this. It's a question of a party that cannot ever be brought around to one that we might have some leverage over, and for the GOP it's a winning issue, even as a negative.


203 posted on 05/06/2006 6:25:55 AM PDT by LS
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To: mariabush

"They have been here for decades, so why worry now?????"

Which party do you think "they" vote for?


204 posted on 05/06/2006 6:26:47 AM PDT by VOATNOW1
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To: wotan
I will still vote republican. But only because I fear and loathe the democrats.

I respect President Bush for his work in the war against the terrorists.

I am DEEPLY disappointed with Senor Bush's immigration policy.

205 posted on 05/06/2006 6:27:24 AM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DB

""Bush has repeatedly burned the base.""

That is untrue.

The only betrayal Bush did was CFR.

Immigration
Spending
Medicare

All those were known as far back as 1999. If conservatives chose not to listen because they were so desperate to get rid of Clinton/Gore, they have only themselves to blame.

Bush said in 1999, you cant balalnce the budget on the backs of hte poor.

Bush oppossed Prop 182 as far back as 1994

Bush ran on expanding medicare

Ask any Texan was Bush conservative as Gov, the answer will be on taxes yes, everything else no.


206 posted on 05/06/2006 6:29:17 AM PDT by georgia2006
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To: DB
"I like Bush. I think he's an honest decent man"

Bush is first and foremost a politician. If he were truly honest and decent he wouldn't be in politics, where he must deceive and mislead and compromise virtue for pragmatism as a matter of routine.
207 posted on 05/06/2006 6:29:34 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: thoughtomator
And if the right doesn't have enough votes to elect a President, the elitist country-club Rockerfeller/RINO wing of the GOP definitely can't. Yet, through this President, they rule anyway.

dingdingdingding! I'm not voting to give the reins of power to a John McCain or Rudy Gulianni.

208 posted on 05/06/2006 6:30:01 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: mariabush

""You had better get your head out of the sand and realize what the alternative would be if the Dems are in charge, and don't give me that old mess about teach""


I guarantee you that is the DEMS win, they will take extra constitutions actions to make sure the GOP, lesson learned or not, never get back into power.

Expect on day 1 of a DEM congress that full voting rights in the house will be extended to the non-voting representatives to PR and DC.

Also watch them use their powers to go after and expel members of the GOP, not rinos, but conservatives.


209 posted on 05/06/2006 6:31:49 AM PDT by georgia2006
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To: ash1997

Well pops...I must then make the assumption that you've been extinguished before?


210 posted on 05/06/2006 6:32:57 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: willgetsome

Absolutely right. In fact the numbers for Congress and the Senate are even worse.

There is a general discontent regarding all of government, not just President Bush. I don't know exactly where it comes from, but my best guess is it's a combunation of the constant obstructionist hate rhetoric of the left combined with the spineless impotence of the right. No one really stands for anything. The whole lot of them is a lighter shade of gray.


211 posted on 05/06/2006 6:37:32 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Gringos Unite!!!)
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To: thoughtomator
"Even this center right has been stiffed by this administration"

Moderates are irritated with Bush for pandering to the far right.

Given the economic conditions when he entered office, plus the shock of 9-11, Bush's cut taxes-increase spending was the right policy. Moderates recognize that Bush used this successfully and that his attempts to subsequently cut spending has not been accepted by congress.

You are correct that moderates cannot elect a president by themselves. We would prefer to make a compromise/deal with the far right. But if you don't want to make a deal, we will make a deal with the middle.

You, otoh, have no one to make a deal with except us. We don't need you, you need us.

212 posted on 05/06/2006 6:38:00 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: NavVet

I would like to add to your comment but can't. You said it all in a few short words. A nice day's work done all ready and it's still morning.
I wish "W" read FR. He might find how out of touch he is.


214 posted on 05/06/2006 6:41:04 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: georgia2006
What people here dont understand is Bush as a core belief believes in open borders. If he were to seal them, it would be one of the biggest flip flops in modern political history. It would show Bush to be nothing more than a crass politician. His approval ratings would not go up. The MSM would hammer him for being an opportunist.

Congratulations. I haven't seen analysis that bad since, well, come to think of it, I haven't ever seen analysis that bad.

Stick around, you'll be amazed at what the people here understand. You'll also be amazed by when you find out how wrong you were about what you thought you understood.

215 posted on 05/06/2006 6:41:06 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: ash1997

"Ah...my son, don't read just the date one 'joins' ...that is but an allusion. Reality is much deeper that that which appears on the screen.... :)"

Illusions are for magic acts, and your act is not fooling us.


216 posted on 05/06/2006 6:41:19 AM PDT by VOATNOW1
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To: TXBSAFH; mariabush
I share that fear, friend. Fear mongering is not working on me anymore. What, 8 posts separate these comments?
217 posted on 05/06/2006 6:42:08 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: wotan

Bush hasn’t changed. He is the same now, on all the issues, as he was just after 911. (That’s why the dems always sound so foolish to me when they try to say they liked him then but hate him now. Think about this.) Straight talker, no nonsense, does what he says he's gonna do.

Bush's accomplishments are huge. Watch his legacy in ten or fifteen years.

I will never desert President Bush. Especially while he’s in office. First of all, because of loyalty. But also because the liberals are trying as hard as they can to split the Republican party. Ain’t gonna happen.


219 posted on 05/06/2006 6:44:24 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Leftists will never stand up like men and fight for their true beliefs.)
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To: papertyger

well we'll never get to test that theory because Bush will never close the border. I content that what conservatives want is for Bush to abandon his core beliefs, believe in nothing and react to polls....in otherwords a conservative version of Bill Clinton.


220 posted on 05/06/2006 6:45:59 AM PDT by georgia2006
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