Joseph Brickey — Art that Connects the Senses and the Spirit Posted on 04/28/2006 1:47:54 PM PDT by SDGOP
Horsefeathers.
Prominent, respectable Evangelical Christians have told me, not for quotation, that millions of their co-religionists cannot and will not vote for Romney for president solely because he is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Oh, they won't vote for him -- that much is accurate. But it's nothing to do with his being a Mormon.
Conservative Christians will not throw away their votes for him because he's pro-abortion, pro-gun-control, pro-homosexual, pro-socialist-hillarycare.
If they're gonna vote for a Democrat, they might as well go for the real thing, instead of a "Stealth RAT".
And, since they're not going to vote for a Democrat, well, that doesn't leave him with much.
I guess it'll be real interesting, watching him try to persuade the abortion lobby, the homosexual lobby, the socialist lobby, and the gun control lobby, why they should go for him instead of Hillary -- and then, turning around, and telling us that we should vote for him because there's an "(R)" after his name. LOL!
As for his appeal to the Democrats, I mean, he may have better hair and a nicer complexion -- and, he definitely does "say all the right things" (for the Dems), but deep down, they are going to be thinking, "But he's a Mormon! Sure, he's not a good Mormon, but you never know when he might 'get religion' and turn into one! Plus, he's a Republican! He'll probably resist some of our stuff just because his party bosses tell him to!"
Looks like this coming presidential season is shaping up as "The Battle of The RINOs" versus Mrs. Clinton.
Kind of a tossup between "major yawner" and "puke my guts out."
Looks like the "respite" after eight years of HELL has turned out to be eight years of... well, nothing, really, other than a major slippage to the left. And unless some dark horse conservative comes riding over the hill, it looks like we're gonna have another eight years of HELL, either at the hands of Hillary, or a RINO!
Surreal...
Oh, please.
I'm not a Mormon, not by a long shot. I shoo 'em away when I see the white shirts, backpacks, and bicycles winding up my driveway. I not only don't believe their doctrine, I don't even like it!
But, I would vote for a Mormon in a heartbeat, IF he were a conservative.
I smell a major game of "let's you and him fight" shaping up. Something stinks. Really stinks.
Confront me with a left-wing, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-gun-control, pro-socialist "Hillarycare" candidate, and then tell me I'm a (*gasp*) bigot because he's also a nominal Mormon too?
Screw that crap.
My position would be exactly the same if he was an Assembly of God or Southern Baptist member -- and, held to the same left-wing positions Romney espouses.
Would that make me an anti-Christian "bigot"? LOL! I'd have a hard time looking myself in the mirror in that case, since I'm a Christian.
This is the exact same deal as "playing the race card." Take a random scumbag -- let's say someone who slits his ex-wife's throat from ear-to-ear, and then does the same thing to the only witness -- and then, when I say he should be (oh, the humanity!) INCARCERATED for the crimes, I'm scolded for being a "racist"?
LOL!
That crap rolls off me like water off a duck's back.
Of course, I'm a cranky ol' so-and-so, inured to the BS that coats so much of modern society.
I think that maybe someone is trying to shame the more timid folk into thinking, "Well, I may not agree with him on everything, but I'd better support him anyway -- I wouldn't want people to think I'm an anti-Mormon bigot!"
I'm pretty cynical, I will grant you. However, I do not think this scenario is at all far-fetched. I do think it is despicable. Absolutely beneath contempt.
Some voters reject the Constitution Party based solely on religion without spending even 5 minutes to read a portion of the platform. Wise up people. The man who started it helped give the GOP the White House in 80 and started the path for the 1995 GOP takeover of both houses. I'll vote for Conservative over a liberal or I won't vote for that office period . But so far the names I hear being mentioned for POTUS 2008 are very far removed from being conservative with the exception of a few and already the unelectable choir is singing when names like Trancredo {Sp] gets mentioned. Jeff Sessions I could support as well. Rudy? Not on my vote.
Same here. In the primary Romney would not get my vote because IMHO he's a RINO. But if he's running against Auntie Antichrist.....
Just curious. How do you explain the following:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life."
John 3:16
Seems like the Mormons take this scripture quite literally. But you don't.
Is Jesus the "only begotten" of the Father, or is he not?
SD,
I agree with your assesment. Some will, some won't - translation is: states will be lost and election will be lost.
You're a funny one. First you denounce people for liking Condi, then you promote a guy like Mitt.
Instead of always insisting that every FReeper is a hypocrite, why don't you stick to supporting or opposing the potential candidacies of these "moderates"?
The reality is that most folks like Condi as Sec State but wouldn't support her as a pro-abortion candidate for president. And they might support Mitt for Massachusetts governor but not trust him as a presidential candidate. And there are plenty of apologists for both (more for Condi because she's not just an empty suit). It's a lot easier for people to ignore Condi's weaknesses because they don't relate strongly to her current post and the Condi candidacy is part of a fantasy world anyway. When a candidacy looks possible, people get down to brass tacks.
The Greek word for "only begotten" means "unique" "one of a kind" It does not mean that God the Father had biological sex with Mary as the Mormons teach and believe
Since when I did endorse Mitt for President? The only thing I "promoted" is the idea that nobody should be rejected for office solely because they are a Mormon or because they are from the "east coast". What a load of bull -- I've supported plenty of Mormons (Senator Rob Bennett, etc.) and East Coast candidates (Sanford, Stelle, etc.) before and will continue to do so -- and so has everyone else on this forum.
My position on Rice and Romney is exactly the same. I would NOT vote for Rice in the PRIMARY -- but if she won the nomination and we had to support her against HILLARY, THEN I would vote for Rice. My position on Mitt Romney is I have no intention of voting for him in the PRIMARY, but IF he wins the nomination against HILLARY, then I would hold my nose and support him.
The hypocrisy here from the Rice apologists who sit around all day spouting lies that she "has the same position on abortion on Bush" or that she "is basically libertarian on abortion" (news to Ron Paul, he's libertarain and pro-life) You don't see Romney apologists saying he's "Libertarian" on abortion, even though he's re-invented himself as a pro-life candidate, thereby making him further right on the issue than Condi.
Condi gets a pass on her pro-abortion views solely because she's a black female. Mitt Romney doesn't get any pass. If freepers are going to crusify Romney on abortion, they better string up Condi as well because she's WORSE.
Again, MY position on Condi and Mitt is exactly the same. Condi should be SOS, not President, and Mitt should run for re-election as Mass. governor, not throw his hat into the Presidential ring. MY perfered candidate for President has always been Pawlenty/Tancredo.
I don't know where you got the idea I was "promoting Romney for President" solely because I'm tired of the B.S. that he's not "allowed" to be soft on abortion but other Republicans are.
Really, Massacuttes is so far left that any non-socialist is basically a "hard core conservative" by their standards.
If Condi Rice were the most conservative SOS that we've had in decades, I'd mention that fact as well -- though she's far from it. She's not even close to being the most conservative BUSH cabinent member.
Sure I do. I've heard he's hard core pro-life, he's pro-life but a principled libertarian so he doesn't want to force it on anyone, that he's a states rights advocate so he'll want to overturn Roe v Wade and let states decide -- people come up with all kinds of crap to deny or explain away his pro-abortion positions.
Since when I did endorse Mitt for President?
Never said you did. Read it again. I said you were promoting him, because you said the only reason conservatives didn't like him was because he adopted some liberal positions to run in Mass, implying that you believe he's a conservative at heart being wronged. That was the impression I got, which you have since corrected.
If freepers are going to crusify Romney on abortion, they better string up Condi as well because she's WORSE.
Again, you completely ignore my explanation for why people treat Romney (the planned/actual candidate) and Condi (the imaginary/fantasy candidate) differently.
I guess the Greeks would know about these things. Their gods were regularly having sex with humans.
It's unfortunate that the "layman" doesn't have knowledge of ancient Greek linguistics and could inadvertently take the Bible at face value.
Not worthy of response
Triangulating with Edgar Cayce.
I am LDS, and I am fully against polygamy.
"I for one could not vote for a member of a religious cult...."
if you are Christian, count yourself in, this is what the Pharisees said about Jesus at the time and why they crucified Him.
"it is not a Christian denomination, rather it is a heretical cult, which came out of Christianity"
Where did Protestantism come from?
respectfully, your logic fails
So is the church - these are people that have been outside the church for over a hundred years, - it's like spewing against the Catholic Church today as Inquisitionists
A Mormon President?
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David M. Bresnahan
May 4, 2006
Day after day some newspaper somewhere decides to run the same old tired story about unannounced Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, declaring that a Mormon could never be elected president because the evangelical Christians would never support him.
The first thing to remember is that some reporters have nothing original to report, so they regurgitate the same story many others have already written. It's easy to pick on the Mormons, so why not jump on the band wagon?
Any reporter in any city or town can simply start making phone calls to ministers and within a very short time it will be easy to find one or more who will be happy to bash the Mormons. All that reporter has to do is jot down a few of the more critical comments and bingo, another negative story is born.
There's just one problem. The vast majority of Americans do not believe such reports for one simple reason - they are not true and we all know it.
Mormons are everywhere, and most people have encountered them enough to know the claims that Mormons are not Christian and are actually quite evil cannot possibly be true. But it is no surprise that some rival church leaders complain about a church that actively proselytes new members, which is a threat to the offering plates of the churches who lose members as a result.
I was a young reporter for a daily paper in Massachusetts, and I was also a gymnastics coach back in 1980. I was very impressed by the behavior of some teenage boys attending a summer gymnastics camp where I was a coach. They were good, clean-cut kids with good morals even when they were far from the influence of parents - unlike most of the other teens at the camp.
I liked what I saw, and although I was not yet married I wanted to know more about their Mormon beliefs. I knew one day I would have a family, and I knew I would need help if I ever expected to have kids who were better than I was as a teen. I wanted my future kids to be like these two boys who were so impressive because they had strong values.
Take a look around. There are Mormons everywhere. Actually, they are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Those who claim they are not Christians apparently missed the name of the church.
Perhaps that is because the press frequently ignores the official name and uses the term "Mormon" as if that is the actual name when it is not. They should read the Associated Press Stylebook which says: "...the official name is preferred in first reference in a story dealing primarily with church activities."
Latter-day Saints are impressive people. Every denomination has good and bad members. Latter-day Saints are no exception, but the vast majority can be seen living what they believe - Christian values.
Many LDS teens get up before the sun and gather in groups to study the scriptures together. It's called early morning seminary. Those same kids in recent studies were found to be doing a better job of living the clean values taught by their church leaders and parents than kids of other faiths.
For several months in 2005 newspaper headlines proclaimed: "Mormon Teens Cope Best," because of a report in the National Study of Youth and Religion. The groundbreaking study of 3,370 teenagers about religion conducted at UNC-Chapel Hill found that of all the religious groups surveyed, Latter-day Saint teens did the best at avoiding risky behaviors, doing well in school, and having a positive attitude.
A 2002-2003 National Study of Youth and Religion report showed that only 3 percent of LDS teens watch all or mostly R-rated movies compared to other religions who were all at 22 percent or higher.
The interesting thing about LDS kids is that their behavior is not based on fear or compulsion of any kind. These kids are good because they want to be good. When you observe the behavior of any kids you can learn a great deal about their parents.
LDS families live their religion. They not only go to church on Sunday, they set aside one night a week as "Family Home Evening." They sing, have a brief lesson that is often given by one of the kids, play games, eat junk food, and pray.
LDS families send their kids to church one night during the week, not for religious services, but instead they send their boys to Boy Scouts and their girls to "Young Women." The LDS Church sees those activities as tools for shaping the values of their future leaders.
Mormons pray a lot. They pray each and every day individually, as married couples, and with their families. Their children learn to kneel by their bed and say their prayers, saying a prayer that comes from their heart because they use their own words rather than something memorized.
The adult men team up with a teenage boy as a partner and visit other members of the local congregation once a month or more. "Home Teaching" is one of the ways the LDS Church stays in close contact with each member and offers more than just preaching to help people live a better life.
When a family is having trouble there is help through the church welfare program. Mormons give countless service hours to produce foods at church-owned farms, orchards, dairies, canneries, and more. They believe in offering a hand up, not a hand out when people have financial challenges.
They also offer humanitarian relief to people in the U.S. and throughout the world, regardless of faith. They donate millions each year for disaster relief and other forms of assistance.
No one is paid. Not a dime goes to the local church leaders, teachers, organists, or minister known as a bishop. All the members have an opportunity to volunteer to serve one another. Members are able to serve as missionaries, and they do so at their own expense and without pay.
We've all seen the young men in white shirts and ties. There's over 50,000 of them serving all over the world for two years out of their lives. They sacrifice time at school, sports, and growing careers in order to spend two years serving others. There are also young women and older retired couples who serve also. They serve in many capacities such as welfare services, teaching, providing medical services, disaster relief, and genealogical research - all without getting paid.
They all have a big smile and a healthy glow about them. Why? Are they brain-washed? Hardly. They are living their religion and it makes them happy, so happy they want to share their feelings with others so they can be happy too. It brings them a sense of peace in a world of turmoil.
Do they believe in Jesus Christ? Are they Christians? They certainly seem to be living as Christ taught. They not only go to church, they actually go out into the world and live what they are taught in church. They read and study from the Bible, and they also study The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.
Their message as they knock on door after door is that the Church of Jesus Christ has been restored to the earth. They claim to represent Jesus Christ and say that they want to bring people to Christ.
I am always amused when someone criticizes Mormons for not believing the same doctrine as their particular church group. In other words, they look down on Mormons because they believe something different. Latter-day Saints believe all people have the right to worship as they please, and only ask the same opportunity for themselves.
Mormons believe they have their own free agency, and their church does not preach politics. Members are encouraged to get involved in a good cause and to participate in politics at all levels. The majority of Latter-day Saints are conservative Republicans, but there are many who are Democrats as well.
Those teenage Mormon gymnasts I met back in 1980 did not preach to me. Their example was all that was needed to get me interested enough to investigate their church. Like millions of others, I became a Mormon and after all these years I have no regrets. I now have a wonderful wife and four great kids. Church is not just a place we go on Sunday, it is the way we live our lives every day.
I have known Mitt Romney personally. We do not always agree on every issue, but I can honestly say that he is a very good, moral, honest man who is also the best qualified candidate I have seen for president. He has a track record as governor that should be used to evaluate his potential as president, and his Mormon beliefs and values have made him a better governor. The same will be true if he becomes president.
The next time a news reporter questions whether a Mormon can be elected president, take a look at it for what it is. A lazy reporter needed a story about Romney and could not come up with anything new other than to rehash the same tired story so many others have already done. The evangelical pastors that reporters quote in such stories are quick to exaggerate. In reality the typical evangelical Christian is not much different than a Mormon.
They both want the best for their families, and they both do their best to live according to the beliefs of their religion. Some of their doctrines are different, but their values are not. As more and more people focus on values instead of doctrines they will recognize that having a Mormon as president is just what this country needs.
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