The Mysterious Death of George Patton

Fox News ^ | 4/27/06 | Oliver North

[spanalot]

Was General Patton's death the result of a traffic accident or was he the victim of an assassination plot? (By Stalin)

[spanalot]

"The Russians truly carried the war to Germany in a way the Western Allies could not."

That sounds straight out of Pravda.

How many weeks was Patton's army ordered to sit on their haunches so that the "Russians" could take Berlin.

Ah - incidentally, it was not Russians but the First Ukrainian Front that was thrown into the breech by Stalin (as they were in Stalingrad too).

Get your facts straight. The Poles and Ukrainians would have paved the way to Moscow for Pattons Army.

[spanalot]

"PS, don't pay attention to spanalot anymore."

And we won't listen to US bashing, armchair generals who presume to know more than Patton.

[MissEdie]

Pardon my ignornance, but who is John Singleton Mosby?

[MissEdie]

So, Time magazine made Adolf Hitler it's Man of the Year TWICE!!

[concentric circles]

Mosby was a calvary officer from Virginia who fought under Jeb Stuart. He used stealth and surprise to destroy lines of communication and harrass his foes.

After the war he obtained parole from President Grant and held a series of government jobs as well doing legal work for the Southern Pacific Rail Road.

In the last capacity he lived in California and came into contact with young Georgie Patton who later used the calvary tactics of rapid mobility to become probably the most feared American commander in Europe.

Patton used forceful attacks to fix his enemy in place and then moved mobile armor around or through their defense to disrupt cohesive military response.

[ColdSteelTalon]

I know its sick how the world works isn't it. There were a lot of anti semites in America prior to WW2. And unfortunately Jews are still hated the world over.

[Romanov]

"Mr. Skubik's Ukrainian underground contact, Stepan Bandera, was himself assassinated by the KGB in 1959."

Your continued support and heralding of Stepan Bandera is quite telling - after all Bandera collaborated with the NAZIS and the Nazis were the enemy of the US, ergo, you are supporting an enemy of the United States of America. Treasonous, if you ask me.

Let's take a look at Bandera and his followers:

Western Ukrainian Nazi Collaboration:

a.) Roman Shukhevych: He was the commander of the Nachtigall Battalion. This battalion was comprised of Ukrainian nationalists wearing the German uniform. Shukhevych was a cohort of Stepan Bandera. It was this battalion that occupied Lvov in 1941 and took part in a three-day massacre of Poles and Jews living in the region. Shukhevych was rewarded by Bandera in 1943, when Bandera named him commander of his Ukrainian Insurgent Army.

At the present time, Bandera supporters try to walk the revisionist tightrope of saying, "sure, he HAD to cooperate with the Germans (they don't say Nazis - interesting) because they would help him fight the Soviets, and Bandera, also fought the Germans (not really). Bandera supporters try to validate this claim by saying the Germans put him in a concentration camp - yes, this is true, but, just like other Nazis who didn't completely toe the line, he was arrested. It is the equivalent of Beria's grandson saying Beria too was a victim of the Soviets. Bottom line- Bandera was put in control of Western Ukraine BY the NAZIS and was removed when he didn't follow their orders completely (that by no means makes him some sort of "martyr."

b.) 14th Ukrainian Waffen SS Galizien Division (also known as the Halychyna Division). This was created in May 1943. Kubijovych, who was the head of the Nazi-authorized Ukrainian Central Committee, declared:

`The long-awaited moment has arrived when the Ukrainian people again have the opportunity to come out with guns to give battle with its most grievous foe --- Muscovite--Jewish Bolshevism. The Fuehrer of the Great German Reich has agreed to the formation of a separate Ukrainian volunteer military unit.'

Certainly not the words of a Nazi-foe.

c.) U.S. Department of Justice Official makes a statement on Ukrainian Nazi ties:
According to this official, the CIC (U.S. Counter-Intelligence Corps) had an agent who photographed eleven volumes of the secret internal files of OUN--Bandera. These files clearly showed how most of its members worked for the Gestapo or SS as policemen, executioners, partisan hunters and municipal officials."

These are the same men Ukrainian emigres in the US are calling "patriots."

Present day Banderovtsy (men who support Bandera and invoke his name) living in Ukraine and in the US:

Ukraine:

"The leader of the All-Ukrainian Party "Liberty," Oleh Tyahnybok, was expelled from the Our Ukraine parliamentary faction on July 20. Tyahnybok was excluded after giving an anti-Russian, anti-Semitic speech at the gravesite of a commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), a guerrilla group that fought the Nazis and Soviets in the 1940s.

Tyahnybok praised how the UPA allegedly fought Moskali (an offensive term for Russians), Germans, and Jews who wanted to take away our "Ukrainian state" (Ukrayinska pravda, July 21). "There is a need for Ukraine to be finally returned to Ukrainians" from the "Muscovite-Jewish mafia that runs Ukraine today," he declared. His comments were widely circulated on the three TV channels controlled by the head of the Presidential Administration, Viktor Medvedchuk: State Channel 1, 1+1 and Inter (July 22)."


And in the US:

The KUN was founded in 1992 as the political exile organization of the "Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists Stepan Bandera fraction." The followers of Bandera espouse a fascist ideology and a militantly anti-communist, anti-Russian and anti-Polish policy. Bandera's movement fought in the Second World War initially on the side of Nazi Germany against the Soviets and demanded "independence" for the Ukraine in those regions invaded by the German army.

Following the conquest of Ukraine, the Nazis no longer needed the assistance of "Slavic sub-humans." They rejected independence for Ukraine and began to persecute Ukrainian nationalists. The Bandera faction was forced to oppose the German army, but during and after the war it focused its activities against the Soviet army.

This is the tradition which the KUN represents. Until the end of the 1990s, it maintained a paramilitary organization named Tryzub, which carried out its activities in the name of the "Stepan Bandera Sports Patriotic Association."

The only thing that organization gets right is the "anti-communist" part. Tell us, Spanalot, how long have you been a member of KUN? And when are your Tryzub meetings?
How is that 5th Column coming along?

[Romanov]

"Ah - incidentally, it was not Russians but the First Ukrainian Front that was thrown into the breech by Stalin (as they were in Stalingrad too)."

LMAO!!! Spannie - surely even YOU know that the "fronts" were named in accordance to what they were going to defend and NOT by who manned the divisions. Or, are you saying that Marshals Zhukov and Konev (Ukrainian Front commanders) were Ukrainian? Thanks for the laugh - evidently you fell into your own trap "Ukrainian" good, everything else bad! Here is spannie endorsing the Soviet Army!!!

How about rooting for America every once and a while? Or is your Ukraine just way too important that you have to put America in second place?

[Romanov]

PPC ping!!

Don't know how he can pretend to like Patton when Patton would have gladly executed Stepan Bandera - friend and puppet of the Nazis. Shame these Ukrainian emigres put their former homeland over their adopted country. When can we see some real loyalty from them?!?!

[eleni121]

A wonderful essay on General Patton and his prescient understanding of the modern day war on "terror"

http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson102304.html

I think that his death should be investigated...but having seen the Commies get off with no retribution or punishment...I would not bet any money on an investigation.

[eleni121]

A common Russin ploy - blame it on the fascists.
___________________________________________________________

That should be: A common Soviet Communist ploy - blame it on the fascists. The Soviet Commies killed millions of non Communist Russians as well.

[GarySpFc]

Don't know how he can pretend to like Patton when Patton would have gladly executed Stepan Bandera - friend and puppet of the Nazis. Shame these Ukrainian emigres put their former homeland over their adopted country. When can we see some real loyalty from them?!?!

Truth means little to those in the PPC.

[Romanov]

"That should be: A common Soviet Communist ploy - blame it on the fascists. The Soviet Commies killed millions of non Communist Russians as well."

True - but you'll never get spanalot to admit it. In his world the only victims were non-Russians, mainly Ukrainian. While he'll condemn Russian communists he has yet to condemn any Ukrainian communist and Ukrainian complicity in Soviet crimes.

The SOVIETS were despicable and the worst of the worst as far as evil people following evil ideology.

[eleni121]

I appreciate your information. The truth is difficult for some...hopefully spanalot can get past his personal prejudices and rise to the truth.

The largest number of people killed by the international Soviet Commies were the Russians...peasants, priests, children, men and women.

[Cvengr]

One very fascinating aspect of Patton was his spiritual life. I believe he was mistaken when he thought perhaps he had been reincarnated, but I suspect he did experience in a dream a past life on ancient battlefields.

This may have been either from divine revelation or by a testing involving familiar spirits which was allowed, although not promoted in God's plan. I've often wondered if Gen Patton had been involved in the occult or freemasonry or the depth of his spiritual beliefs.

I tend to agree with your assessment that when it was time he was called home, although FWIW, I have also bumped into him in dreams myself, wherein he still patrols the Mojave desert on a white stallion, dressed in his field uniform with an entourage of staff and SNCOs, still quite an arrogant perspective of all other persons.

If the dream I had did indeed involve other persons in the spiritual domain, then I wonder if he is indeed saved or merely pending the consequneces of a life separated from faith in Christ.

[Romanov]

It's a shame about those prejudices because it clouds judgment.

As an American I would like to see Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics, the Stans, the former Warsaw Pact countries all flourish in a free and democratic atmosphere. After all, that's why we waged the Cold War and why were victorious in it. Soviet crimes were shocking and definitely need to be addressed - BUT, the blame Russia first crowd is just making the matters worse. Long ago they all needed to sit down together and come up with some sort of means to address the crimes of the horrible regime.

Unfortunately there is a lot of influence in Ukraine and elsewhere that comes from former Ukrainians, Russians, etc., who haven't recognised that communism is DEAD and that no good can come out of stirring the flames of ethnic hatred. That former citizens of those countries are willing to sit back and watch their former countrymen fight the battles they have instigated from afar disgusts me. Especially because it's a slap in the face of Ronald Reagan's legacy.

[Cvengr]

Interesting poem.

In discernment, is it pssible Patton was merely possessed by a fallen angel, or was he simply influenced by familiar spirits and confused their recollections of past lives with being his own?

[Cvengr]

IMHO, good analysis.

[Cvengr]

I don't know of any military logistician who believed the USSR had the logistical power to wage war independent of the Allies during WWII. Additionally, the US did continue to fight, explicitly in the Pacific theater for another 2 years after Germany collapsed and was torn asunder.

The major US strategic objectives had been accomplished at the end of the two wars, and it was strongly believed that a free market and capitalism with overseas bases would dwarf totalitarianism at the end of WWII.

The new strategic and possibly operational weapons were nuclear and the US was leading all others in that category.

Only the US had the industrial might to continue a war effort. USSR did not, unless they had peace and with the case of Stalin, millions of forced laborers to rebuild their basic infrastructure, with millions perishing internally as a consequence of their own efforts.

In regards to 'mass-muder' of civilian populations, I'm a bit confused. How exactly were munition factories and armament product considered peaceful enterprises, void of any military value in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

You appear to have studied some history. I recommend Isley & Crowl, History of Amphibious Warfare along with the US Army historical publications regarding the battles of the Pacific. The Pacific campaign is probably one of the best documented and most perfect ,ilitary campaigns throughout world history. From a nation that had been attacked as one of seven major surprise coordinated attacks that left Japan in charge of over 50 % of the world's surface, the Allied and US campaigns in the Pacific culminated in a defeat of an enemy that then became our ally and now significant competitor. Few battles, let alone wars have ever been waged which have left so few lingering animosities. Most warborne animosities linger over centuries and up to around five generations. WWII in the Pacific, generally ceased animosity within 25 years or one generation after its conclusion.

This rapid cessation of hostility was in no small part due to an overwhelming display of power in a surgical fashion, but with indubitable consequence.

The same may have also occurred in the USSR, had the peoples of the USSR been allowed to regain the freedom of a democratic republic, rather than being forced into totalitarianism, then socialism for another fifty years.

More important than the type of government, though, would have been the allowance of the Gospel to have been spread to many generations of believers in that region of the world by legitimate authority.

[Cvengr]

"You are also apparently unaware of the Soviet/Russian peoples' capacity for suffering. We could not have killed enough of them to win without turning into the monsters we claimed to be fighting."

In the mid 1940s, the US had a very intuitive sense of suffering which lingered from the southerners after the Civil War and reinforced by the Great Depression and their endurance through WWII. Victory doesn't imply defeat, except for the whorehouse operator in Joseph Heller's Catch-22.