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Wait until people realize that their mpg will fall when they use this stuff.
1 posted on 04/18/2006 8:46:32 AM PDT by hoosierboy
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I've never heard anybody actually say how much ethanol costs.


2 posted on 04/18/2006 8:53:35 AM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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Better than being a slave to the middle east and chavez forever.


3 posted on 04/18/2006 8:54:37 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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I only know of one station in the NW Indiana area that has E-85. It's a station (can't remember the name ) on the south side of Rt30 near Deep River.


4 posted on 04/18/2006 8:58:57 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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Luddites give it a rest already!

Look, we already pay people not to grow things, so anything we actually DO grow and turn into useful energy (ethanol) is a net gain.

Bring up hybrids and people complain they don't want little cars, they want 300hp trucks. Biodiesel? The luddites say not here. Ethanol? Not as energy efficient.

But at the same time they say no to anything other than oil they also complain about the power Chavez and the Saudis and Armeni-jihad hold over us with their oil.

Well, which one is it? Wanna be beholden to sand-lords and crazed Venezuelan Marxists, or are you willing to let the new tech emerge?


5 posted on 04/18/2006 9:03:15 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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Brazil has successfully developed Ethanol as a vehicular fuel and by this time next year they will be totally energy independent.

Now, some may argue: Brazil? they must not have that many folks living there - Actually, they have approx 185 Million folks living there.

Some may also argue: Growing ethanol is EXPENSIVE: Actually, growing sugar (instead of corn in the US) is pretty cheap.

BTW, Brazil began this endeavor more than 10 years ago. Apparently, the Brazilians had a clue.
11 posted on 04/18/2006 9:26:34 AM PDT by roaddog727 (eludium PU36 explosive space modulator)
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Lower mileage is merely a cost function.. if price difference is enough, lower gas mileage is acceptable.

$2 a gallon v $3 a gallon means I can get a 1/3 fewer miles to the gallon without paying any penalty other than needing to fill up more often.


12 posted on 04/18/2006 9:33:42 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Wait until people realize that their mpg will fall when they use this stuff.

Ethanol is not as energy dense as gasoline, so they will get lower mileage.

However as gasoline prices continue to rise ethanol based fuel becomes a more realistic option.

At this point private industry hasn't invested highly in producing large quantities of ethanol efficiently because it's a risky proposition.

If gas prices go back down, or the public loses interest, or environmentalists decide to oppose using land to grow crops for this, it could end up unprofitable.

However, if gasoline prices remain high or continue to rise and the public sees ethanol based fuels as a good thing, this could be very profitable, but it requires doing it on a large scale to be really cost effective.

I think that creating these flex fuel vehicles is a great idea because it gives consumers the option to use fuel that is up to 85% ethanol. If enough of these cars exist, producing ethanol based fuels on a large scale can become a viable option.

It seems very unlikely that E85 is going to become the right choice for everyone, but I like having an option that decreases our reliance on foreign countries, especially considering how many of those countries are using the wealth they gain from oil.

13 posted on 04/18/2006 10:17:10 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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read tomorrow


38 posted on 04/18/2006 6:02:26 PM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate our country.)
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We get E85 from a Pacific Pride Station in Greenville MI it runs around $1.85 to $1.99 when gas here is at $2.50 . We drive a 2003 Dodge Caravan and get better gas mileage with E85 than with normal gas the Octane is also 105 versus 89 for the cheap stuff at a normal station . MJ
46 posted on 04/19/2006 3:17:15 PM PDT by mysticspirits
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