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Rebutting Darwinists: (Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in God)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 04/15/2006 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 04/15/2006 11:44:16 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Rebutting Darwinists

Posted: April 15, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

I suggested here last week that the established authorities of every age act consistently. They become vigilantly militant against non-conforming dissidents who challenge their assumptions.

Thus when the dissident Galileo challenged the assumptions of the 17th century papacy, it shut him up. Now when the advocates of "intelligent design" challenge the scientific establishment's assumptions about "natural selection," it moves aggressively to shut them up. So the I.D. people have this in common with Galileo.

I received a dozen letters on this, three in mild agreement, the rest in scorn and outrage. This calls for a response.

Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

I could have gone further. A survey last year by Rice University, financed by the Templeton Foundation, found that about two-thirds of scientists believed in God. A poll published by Gallup in 1997 asked: Do you believe that "man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation?" – essentially the I.D. position. Just under 40 percent of scientists said yes. So perhaps my 10 percent was far too low.

Two readers called my attention to a discovery last week on an Arctic island of something which may be the fossil remains of the mysteriously missing "transitional species." Or then maybe it isn't transitional. Maybe it's a hitherto undetected species on its own.

But the very exuberance with which such a discovery is announced argues the I.D. case. If Darwin was right, and the change from one species to another through natural selection occurred constantly in millions of instances over millions of years, then the fossil record should be teaming with transitional species. It isn't. That's why even one possibility, after many years of searching, becomes front-page news.

Another letter complains that I.D. cannot be advanced as even a theory unless evidence of the nature of this "Divine" element is presented. But the evidence is in nature itself. The single cell shows such extraordinary complexity that to suggest it came about by sheer accident taxes credulity. If you see a footprint in the sand, that surely evidences human activity. The demand – "Yes, but whose footprint is it?"– does not disqualify the contention that somebody was there. "Nope," says the establishment, "not until you can tell us who it was will we let you raise this question in schools."

Another reader argues that Galileo stood for freedom of inquiry, whereas I.D. advocates want to suppress inquiry. This writer apparently did not notice what caused me to write the column. It was the rejection by a government agency for a $40,000 grant to a McGill University anti-I.D. lobby to suppress the presentation and discussion of I.D. theory in the Canadian schools. Suppressing discussion is an odd way of encouraging "freedom of inquiry." Anyway, the I.D. movement doesn't want to suppress evolution. It merely wants it presented as a theory, alongside the I.D. theory.

Why, asked another reader, did I not identify the gutsy woman who stated the reason for the rejection, bringing upon herself the scorn of scientific authority. That's fair. Her name is Janet Halliwell, a chemist and executive vice president of the Social Science and Humanities Research Council. She said that evolution is a theory, not a fact, and the McGill application offered no evidence to support it.

The McGill applicant was furious. Evolution, he said, needs no evidence. It's fact. Apparently Harvard University doesn't quite agree with him. The Boston Globe reports that Harvard has begun an expensive project to discover how life emerged from the chemical soup of early earth. In the 150 years since Darwin, says the Globe, "scientists cannot explain how the process began."

The most sensible letter came from a research scientist. "I think that the current paradigm of evolution by natural selection acting on random variation will change," he writes. "I think that evidence will accumulate to suggest that much of the genetic variation leading to the evolution of life on earth was not random, but was generated by biochemical processes that exhibit intelligent behavior."

Then he urges me not to disclose his identity. Saying this publicly would threaten his getting tenure, he fears. Galileo would understand.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevo; crevolist; darwinism; darwinists; evoidiots; evolutionistmorons; god; id; idjunkscience; ignoranceisstrength; intelligentdesign; scientists; youngearthcultists
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To: Old_Mil

What would you expect? Did you get your understanding of evolution from Hollywood movies?


101 posted on 04/15/2006 1:08:32 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: js1138
Back again with your best and only shot -- a bit of pissant lawyering over terminology?

LOLOLOLOLOL.

Somebody says something incorrect. I correct them. And you chime in with outrage.

Quck quiz: Who is the one who brought up terminology?

102 posted on 04/15/2006 1:08:45 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: connectthedots

Nobody ever claimed that evolution (Darwinian or otherwise) solved the problem of the origin of life. However, it does narrow the problem by postulating a few origins (ideally only one) rather than millions.


103 posted on 04/15/2006 1:09:31 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: SirLinksalot

It is not possible to undermine ID. That's the problem with it.


104 posted on 04/15/2006 1:12:16 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Tribune7
Quck quiz: Who is the one who brought up terminology?

It wasn't me. It's always an ignoramus who thinks that understanding biogenesis is necessary before understanding variation and selection.

105 posted on 04/15/2006 1:13:18 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: js1138
Does conflating Darwinian and chemical evolution make one or the other invalid?

Darwinian or otherwise, the claim that an intelligible universe populated by intelligent beings can come about wholly apart from intelligence, design, or some combination of the two can only be described as something other than emprical science.

106 posted on 04/15/2006 1:13:50 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
What do we call a scientific doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof?

Proof is acheived by mathematics, truth is argued by philosophy, a scientic theory is the explination and evidence for a observed fact. A scientific doctrine by defination does not exist. One term is of philosophy and the other is of science. The statement is of no use to anyone.

107 posted on 04/15/2006 1:13:59 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: js1138
It wasn't me

And I didn't post to you correcting you did I?

108 posted on 04/15/2006 1:14:48 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: connectthedots

Nothing in that quote says that Harvardites consider abiogenesis as part of the ToE. Only the writer of this article is implying that. Reread it.


109 posted on 04/15/2006 1:14:56 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Fielding
Reading through the various replies to your post suggests that "Darwinism" has become a religion.

How do they suggest that? Please answer.

110 posted on 04/15/2006 1:16:30 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Do you fully understand how God came to exist? If not, then you are simply pushing the problem back. Any way you look at it, the origin of existence is beyond our understanding.


111 posted on 04/15/2006 1:17:31 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: Old_Mil; guitarist
" Let the name calling begin!"

I didn't start the hostilities.

"To: SirLinksalot

Reasonable article. But expect to get flamed when the evo's catch up!

5 posted on 04/15/2006 2:53:04 PM EDT by guitarist
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And my point was accurate; ID'ers are a bunch of whiny drama queens who thrive on their alleged victim status. No different than the left.

"I see you've shown up on yet another evo thread."

I see you have too, though you have added nothing to this one. At least you're consistent. :)

"So if you don't mind, what exactly are your scientific credentials? What degrees do you hold? Where did you graduate and when?"

It's evidence that wins arguments, not pigskin. I could care less what your creds are, btw, so don't bother posting them. Anybody can make up a degree. Not everybody can make a logical argument.
112 posted on 04/15/2006 1:17:59 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: freedumb2003

Are you calling Alter Kaker a creationist?


113 posted on 04/15/2006 1:18:30 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Tribune7

You posted on a public forum.


114 posted on 04/15/2006 1:18:35 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: Getready

What are you talking about? How does ToE negate the polite rules of society?


115 posted on 04/15/2006 1:23:39 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: js1138
It's always an ignoramus who thinks that understanding biogenesis is necessary before understanding variation and selection.

Understanding the chemical processes that led to the first life on earth is as un-important to evolution as the question of whether the Vikings really sailed to North America before Columbus is to understanding the political history of America. The Viking question is interesting, but ultimately it has no bearing on our history.

116 posted on 04/15/2006 1:23:57 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: js1138
You posted on a public forum.

And this bothers you because . . . ?

117 posted on 04/15/2006 1:27:53 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7

Evolutionary Biology and the theory of evolution are not the same thing.

Abiogenesis does fall within Evolutionary Biology (A field of science) while the theory of evolution is one theory in the field of biology.


118 posted on 04/15/2006 1:28:30 PM PDT by Mephari
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Breathtakingly-inane-article PLACEMARKER


119 posted on 04/15/2006 1:28:37 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: your mind)
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To: PatrickHenry
It's equivalent to saying that understanding the formation of heavier elements in supernovas is essential before you can understand chemistry. It is an interesting historical topic, but not required for understanding how elements behave in the here and now.

I am quite willing to accept the assertion that most biologists believe abiogenesis happened, and that a few have written popular articles declaring that some major part of the history has been solved.

So what?
120 posted on 04/15/2006 1:31:16 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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