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Good News on FairTax
Town Hall . Com ^
| 4/13/06
| Herman Cain
Posted on 04/14/2006 2:42:07 PM PDT by Eaglewatcher
of good news is that support is growing for complete replacement of the tax code with a national consumption tax. More and more taxpayers are demanding action from their representatives in Congress, and their representatives are listening.
Just one year ago, there were 33 sponsors and co-sponsors of HR 25, The FairTax Act, in the U.S. House. Now there are 53 supporters, and new co-sponsors are joining every month. In the Senate, Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) was the lone sponsor of the FairTax Act, S 25, one year ago. Senators Tom Coburn (R-OK) and John Cornyn (R-TX) now join Senator Chambliss as co-sponsors. The word is spreading about the overwhelming benefits to our economy and our wallets when we replace the nine-million-word tax code mess with the fair and simple FairTax.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: economy; fair; fairtax; fraudtax; scam; tax
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To: SandwicheGuy
I think there is a very sad perception by many conservatives that poor people are all lazy, welfare recipients. My problem is stereotyping one class of people: the poor, especially the working poor. Bad things can happen to really good people and they can't help if they are poor, i.e. bad health, losing a spouse, accidents, etc. BTW - the laziest people I've seen are the trust fund babies - talk about an "entitlement" class.
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posted on
04/16/2006 4:02:00 AM PDT
by
Alissa
To: RobFromGa
Again you're assuming the poor are no good and ignorant. Might it occur to you that some things happen to people and they don't have a choice, i.e. an act of God or an accident or losing a spouse.
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posted on
04/16/2006 4:07:30 AM PDT
by
Alissa
To: EternalVigilance
That comment reminds me of a doctor who is more interested in mopping up the blood on the floor than in stopping the hemorrhaging. So in your stupid analogy, out-of-control government spending is the result of our flawed tax code. And if we just fix the tax code (stop the bleeding) then spending will slow down and dry up (no need for mops). I don't happen to believe that the FairTax does a single thing about spending, and it isn't designed to according to most of its proponents. But now in your anaology you seem to imply that it will solve the spending problem as well.
And you think that I don't get it. You just keep making ridiculous statements.
Have you figured out how the FairTax doesn't jibe with Federalist 21 yet with its automatic readjustment of tax rate to match what the porkers spend?
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posted on
04/16/2006 4:08:09 AM PDT
by
RobFromGa
(In decline, the Old Media gets more shrill, thrashing about like a dinosaur caught in the tar pits.)
To: Kellis91789
My definition of 'welfare' is the government giving you money that exceeds what you paid in taxes. Newspeak dictionary?
95% of people will have paid more FairTax than they receive in prebate.
Source?
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posted on
04/16/2006 4:09:08 AM PDT
by
Mojave
To: Alissa
Poor is for most people a temporary condition, usually some bad luck or they are just starting out. Anyone making $15k a year over the age of 16, for more than one year, is simply not trying hard enough. There are opportunities.
And there are charities and family members to assist those who are in need, that will do a MUCH BETTER job of helping these people to get back on their feet. Government programs to give welfare to everyone are not the answer to individual localized need.
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posted on
04/16/2006 4:11:41 AM PDT
by
RobFromGa
(In decline, the Old Media gets more shrill, thrashing about like a dinosaur caught in the tar pits.)
To: Eaglewatcher
I think that many Americans have lost sight of just how sincerely un-American a progressive income tax really is. If we, as adults, cannot bring ourselves to fight against this terrible tax system for ourselves, hopefully we can love and care about our children enough to bring us to fight to remove this weighty economic saddle from their backs, so that may have a chance at a better life. The "Fair Tax" may not be the perfect remedy, but it's one hell of a lot better system than we've had forced upon us by the Democrats.
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posted on
04/16/2006 4:13:50 AM PDT
by
RavenATB
(Patton was right...)
To: Alissa
"I think there is a very sad perception by many conservatives that poor people are all lazy, welfare recipients."
I think this is a grotesque overstatement. I'm a conservative who grew up as a liberal Democrat in a Midwest farm town where poverty was a rather common economic state. I grew up in a low income household. Few of my friends and/or school mates were any better off, financially. When I became an adult I had other exposures to low income families.
I don't think that all poor Americans are lazy, good-for-nothing, welfare recipients. I just think that such labels fit a significant percentage of those people. Why? Because I grew up among them, I've known a great many of them, I've spent a great deal of time trying to help some of them, and...I've been there.
Stereotypes frequently become stereotypes because they're based in reality...certainly not for "everyone" in the group...but a great percentage.
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posted on
04/16/2006 4:27:12 AM PDT
by
RavenATB
(Patton was right...)
To: RobFromGa
You're way too cavalier on your assessment of poor people. Why do you assume all poor people are on welfaire? My poor grandmother, who adopted me, worked for years as an LPN, no easy job, and that wasn't temporary. She was never on welfare, but we were poor. I don't think being poor is a "temporary" condition for many, many people.
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posted on
04/16/2006 4:38:51 AM PDT
by
Alissa
To: Eaglewatcher
Think about how we could use the immigration issue to force tax reform...IMHO the only issue worth a general amnesty would be in return for the Fair Tax bill....
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posted on
04/16/2006 4:43:22 AM PDT
by
mo
To: Eaglewatcher
To: RavenATB
Perhaps you're right, but I just can't stereotype all poor people as lazy no-good welfare recipients vs. the working poor. Your life experiences are different than mine. I grew up outside Washington, DC. Our little neighborhood was composed of low income working people, but their kids are doing fine today and earning good incomes.
Maybe I've been fortunate in my lack of exposure to lazy welfare recipients and I'm the one who is naive. In my world the poor have been more nobler in that they've made great sacrifices to improve the lives of their children.
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posted on
04/16/2006 5:03:18 AM PDT
by
Alissa
To: EternalVigilance
Consumption taxes aren't socialist unless they contain socialist provisions.
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posted on
04/16/2006 5:34:19 AM PDT
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: Bigun
Did we have the operation of government when those papers were written that we have now?
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posted on
04/16/2006 5:39:22 AM PDT
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: EternalVigilance
A tax refund is an overpayment of taxes by an individual.
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posted on
04/16/2006 5:41:32 AM PDT
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: EternalVigilance
The potential for abuse is far greater on the consumption end than on the income end. You want it so much, though, you are prevented from thinking it through.
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posted on
04/16/2006 5:45:01 AM PDT
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: RobFromGa
Do you have sources for any of the perrcentages you are throwing around? And do you honestly think that the prebate wouldn't become one of the social engineering tools of this tax code?
If somebody is spending less than the poverty level (which is basically everyone in poverty), they are making money on the "demogrant" (that's really what it is). And guess what happens if the tax rate goes up? Yup. They make more money while everyone else pay for it.
These Fairies have no idea what hell they are trying to release on this nation.
To: Man50D
The individual did have the money before he paid taxes on necessities but now it is being returned to the taxpayer. I'm afraid what you said made no sense to me at all. The prebate is based on the individual not having the money to pay the tax on necessities, so it is given to him. How could he have paid those taxes previously that are now being returned to him.
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posted on
04/16/2006 5:50:31 AM PDT
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: Mojave
95% of people will have paid more FairTax than they receive in prebate.
Source?
The official U.S. poverty rate is 12.7%
To: Man50D
How do you obtain used food? Do you purchase someone's regurgitated food? Do you purchase used fuel by buying the fumes? Do you buy used legal advice by purchasing it from an attorney's client? My point exactly.
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posted on
04/16/2006 5:52:15 AM PDT
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: Mojave
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ce/standard/2001/income.txt
Folks spend, irrespecive of their "income".
Very few will spend little enough to profit on the rebate. Indeed, this table indicates that nobody will.
And this also indicates that the nrst will do a better job of capturing cash economy... all these people reporting such low income yet spening above the poverty level....
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