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Fetus Cannot Feel Pain, Expert Says
yahoo.com ^ | 4/14/06

Posted on 04/14/2006 11:58:49 AM PDT by paudio

FRIDAY, April 14 (HealthDay News) -- Fetuses cannot feel pain, therefore U.S. legislation requiring doctors to tell women that the fetus will feel pain, or to provide pain relief during abortions, has no scientific basis and may harm the women involved, a leading expert contends.

"This is an unwarranted piece of legislation because there is good evidence that the fetus cannot feel pain at any stage of gestation," said Stuart Derbyshire, senior lecturer in psychology at the University of Birmingham, U.K.

He authored an review of the available data on the subject in the April 15 issue of the British Medical Journal.

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To: paudio
"Fetuses cannot feel pain, therefore U.S. legislation requiring doctors to tell women that the fetus will feel pain, or to provide pain relief during abortions, has no scientific basis and may harm the women involved, a leading expert contends."

Casts doubt on all the words that led up to the end.

The media loves their propaganda. Yes they do.

61 posted on 04/14/2006 12:36:57 PM PDT by weegee ("CBS NEWS? Is that show still on?" - freedomson)
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To: SaveTheChief
How is it known that a fetus has no pain? Do nerves magically develop as soon as a baby is born, but not a minute before?

The nervous system doesn't kick in until the fetus is completely out of the womb.

Therefore in partial birth abortion, there is no pain when the head is delivered and then punctured. The fetus is still touching the womb. < /sarc >

62 posted on 04/14/2006 12:39:48 PM PDT by weegee ("CBS NEWS? Is that show still on?" - freedomson)
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To: paudio
Definition of an expert:

ex - a has been spirt - a drip under pressure
63 posted on 04/14/2006 12:40:07 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: paudio
well, this should come as a relief to so many who might have had a sense of remorse and compassion motivating them towards the confessional this Good Friday...

In other news, people in the direct paths of the hijacked jets that were flown into the World Trade Centers might not have know what hit them. So it's all OK.

64 posted on 04/14/2006 12:40:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Polls show Jesus' approval ratings at all time low, after a triumphant reception just a few days ago)
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To: paudio
Funny, a team of doctor in London just released information to the exact contrary conclusion. Given, these were premature babies, but are we really to believe that these babies, after only 25 weeks in the womb, just suddenly developped the perception of pain when they were shot out of their mother?

Premature babies 'feel true pain'

Premature babies experience feelings of pain rather than simply displaying reflex reactions, a study says. Experts have never been sure how a premature baby responds to pain, the Journal of Neuroscience reported. But a team from University College London found that they do feel pain after analysing brain scans taken when blood samples were being drawn.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4875196.stm
65 posted on 04/14/2006 12:44:56 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: GoldwaterChick

There was a report on the local Fox affiliate nightly news (or maybe it was Geraldo, I wasn't paying much attention, I'd left the tv on).

Something about women who were working with labs for test tube babies, I think. And how some of those fetuses had been used in other women and that they could be running around, brothers and sisters and children that the families don't know about.

What got to me was that the anchor/host referred to them as "critters" running around. They are PEOPLE. And that is why there is controversy over the destruction of those fetuses.


66 posted on 04/14/2006 12:45:11 PM PDT by weegee ("CBS NEWS? Is that show still on?" - freedomson)
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To: paudio
Fetus Cannot Feel Pain, Expert Says

why is this news? why is this a headline? did someone ask this question? why does an "expert" feel the to need expend time and resources to a) research this and b)promote the "findings"? why was it deemed worthy of the being one of the very few links of "headlines" in the Yahoo! "news" section? and why promote this message on Good Friday?

67 posted on 04/14/2006 12:45:30 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Polls show Jesus' approval ratings at all time low, after a triumphant reception just a few days ago)
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To: Scotswife

Actually babies probably don't feel anything until after they are spanked at birth--that's what cranks up their pain receptors--but only if they are full-term.

Back in the Dark Ages when we used safety pins, preemie babies didn't cry when they were accidently stuck because their nervous systems weren't fully developed. :)

Obviously this expert was never pregnant and never experienced the sudden activity of a baby when the mother-to-be finally got to rest. I always said my second child was twins, and they were having a nighttime rock fight. Must have been my imagination!


68 posted on 04/14/2006 12:46:31 PM PDT by GoldwaterChick ("Never give in, never give in, never, never, never." Winston Churchill, October 29, 1941)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Wasn't there a video called Silent Scream that pretty well answered this question in the affirmative? One often wonders at the idiocy of some investigators.


69 posted on 04/14/2006 12:49:51 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends-)
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To: paudio

Then why do they start pulling away from the scalpal when the abortionist begins his barbarity?


70 posted on 04/14/2006 12:50:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: stands2reason

I disagree. How do you know it's "bunk"? Hypnosis is nothing but an aid to help a person remember past experiences and change their perceptions of those experiences.


71 posted on 04/14/2006 12:50:53 PM PDT by captain_dave
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To: paudio
In related news, experts find that people, in general, do not experience pain...

except for the Clintoons that feel our pain for us.

72 posted on 04/14/2006 12:52:47 PM PDT by MooseMan
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To: paudio; Coleus; wagglebee

Seeing as they think it's ok to murder the handicapped and eldery to 'relieve pain' - I guess they think studies showing that unborn children can't feel pain makes abortion ok.

Though, I do doubt the above findings.


73 posted on 04/14/2006 12:53:14 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: paudio
"The legislation would additionally require that a fetus of more than 22 weeks' gestational age receive anesthesia before the abortion procedure. Doctors who refuse to comply could be fined $100,000 while also losing their license and their Medicaid funding."

Truly this is false as well as sick. We have seen picture after picture of the unborn child recoiling from pain in the womb.

They refuse to err on the side of life and now they refuse to err on the side of pain (that the baby in the womb experiences pain)/ How despicable!

74 posted on 04/14/2006 12:58:37 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: weegee

I'm sure you have noticed how our drive-by media, to quote Rush, swoons over the impending births of babies of any of the Hollywood crowd. I don't ever recall any of them being referred to as fetuses. Of course these are the only babies worthy of any consideration--they are better than all of ours and worthy of non-stop coverage. If I had my way all news emanating out of there would always be prefaced by "And now from the Land of Make Believe..."

One very scary result of these labs is the possibility that the babies resulting from these procedures could be related, and their families would not have the slightest idea. I don't know if the implants are tracked in any way.


75 posted on 04/14/2006 12:59:03 PM PDT by GoldwaterChick ("Never give in, never give in, never, never, never." Winston Churchill, October 29, 1941)
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To: SaveTheChief

That the fetus experiences pain would be too much of a testament to it's humanity. Therefore, the fetus before 26 weeks CANNOT feel pain. How convenient.


76 posted on 04/14/2006 1:01:05 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: paudio

It would be very easy to go into great detail refuting the claim that a fetus does not feel pain. However, the short version is this man is a damned liar.


77 posted on 04/14/2006 1:01:42 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: momfirst

Is this guy infamiliar with a little thing called the Central Nervous System?


78 posted on 04/14/2006 1:01:50 PM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: paudio
This Professor of Junk Science is a psychologist, and a consultant to Planned Parenthood. He is completely outside his field of professional competence and biased to boot.

I suppose this "journal" would also publish an article by a psychologist consultant to Philip Morris that smoking does not cause cancer?

79 posted on 04/14/2006 1:11:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: paudio

My concern is that this obviously contrived review was published in the British Medical Journal. I cannot believe that the editors saw this review, assuming it is as described, as meeting basic scientific standards. The reported definition of "pain" as in some sense having to be learned just does not make sense. The assertion of the neurological development process somehow being defined uniformly at 22 or 26 weeks again makes no sense. It is the equivalent of saying all babies are the same size.

Can anyone post the actual article, plus the editors introduction?

Needless to say when a baby begins to feel pain may be an issue for thisparticular piece of legislation but it has little meaning for the broader moral question.


80 posted on 04/14/2006 1:14:26 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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