Posted on 04/14/2006 11:58:49 AM PDT by paudio
FRIDAY, April 14 (HealthDay News) -- Fetuses cannot feel pain, therefore U.S. legislation requiring doctors to tell women that the fetus will feel pain, or to provide pain relief during abortions, has no scientific basis and may harm the women involved, a leading expert contends.
"This is an unwarranted piece of legislation because there is good evidence that the fetus cannot feel pain at any stage of gestation," said Stuart Derbyshire, senior lecturer in psychology at the University of Birmingham, U.K.
He authored an review of the available data on the subject in the April 15 issue of the British Medical Journal.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
He is either a hypocrite who doesn't really believe what he is saying and is carrying water for the abortionists, or mind-numbingly ignorant of the most basic philosophical implications of what it means to be alive in an independently conscious body, not to mention ignorant of more subtle philosophical questions of phenomena and noumena, Immanuel Kant's brilliant legacy.
So an 8 month, 29 day fetus can't feel anything? And as another poster pointed out, we already know that infants hear sounds and respond to stimuli in the womb. Mommy's voice is the first voice they recognize.
And, this is the gist of it all. I am forever after the liberal thinkers I know to define their terms. If you can rewrite the definition to suit your conclusion (THE tactic de jour of the liberal hordes), well then you can make anything sound legitimate. But, sounding legit abd being legit are quite different.
However, preemies born at a higher gestation benefit from touch and "kangaroo-ing."
Can even touching a super-preemie be too painful for them to tolerate? I get that impression.
"Does it not become a human ... until it serves its full time (9 1/2 months)?"
Surprisingly, yes. My brother was born 2 months premature on January 20. However, we celebrate his birthday on March 20. Confuses the hell out of him.
/sarcasm
Originally, it was believed that victims of the Guillotene felt no pain either.
Sorry, but hypnosis is bunk. Their clients are daydreaming, not "reliving past moments."
"Touch" and "pain" are two different nerve receptors.
-A8
This story will appeal to the same idiots who believe that a fish feels pain when hooked, that even an earthworm has feelings but a human abortion is as meaningless as taking out the trash--because that's all a baby human is to them. Convicted murderers shouldn't be put to death because even their lives are more valuable than an unborn child--they deserve a second chance (to kill and maim). But an innocent baby doesn't even get one. Spare the guilty, kill the innocent. This so-called expert is a few cards short of a full deck.
Well put!
they say the same about Schivo types. just another way to get rid of responsibilty in our culture. dependency on the state is the objective for these loons.
they say the same about Schivo types. just another way to get rid of responsibilty in our culture. dependency on the state is the objective for these loons.
Remember the photo of the Dr. at Vandy who does the fetal surgery? The little hand reaching out of the womb.
Yes. This is precisely why Scientology moms are not allowed to scream when giving birth to their scientology babies.
If you read the article, he says that the developement of the neurological system is completely developed at 26 weeks. From what I can tell, he is saying that the experience of pained has a learned componant, which does not develope until the infant is born. The learned componant apparently has something to do with interaction with a caregiver.
I don't know enough about it to know whether this makes sense. Hopefully someone at FR with some medical knowledge can analyze this further.
I don't think it really matters one way or the other. It is horrible to think a baby might experience horrible pain during this procedure, but that is secondary to the fact that the baby dies. How could a mother who doesn't want her baby to live, care about how much pain it experiences?
""This is an unwarranted piece of legislation because there is good evidence that the fetus cannot feel pain at any stage of gestation," "
This one statement causes him to lose all credibility.
He is claiming the fetus does not feel pain right up until birth - and then when the baby receives shots and blood is taken from his heel - he suddenly feels pain and starts to cry.
Yeah right.
Indeed. In fact, I once asked whether Logan, FR's own adopted Texas Termite preemie felt any pain after his very premature birth. The answer was, of course, "yes."
And of course, if the baby cannot feel pain during gestation, obviously she cannot feel or hear or otherwise sense anything else, either -- pain is just one sort of nerve impulse, after all. But we know that the fetus responds to various stimuli while in the womb.
It's complete bullshit, in other words.
This is just a guy trying to justify abortion, and he's trying to find an argument that can't be fought with ultrasound pictures.
I think this guy's hypothesis is that pain reception is something that develops post-birth, like clear vision.
Which, of course, is crap.
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