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In Search of Chivalry Did it sink with the Titanic?
National Review Online ^ | April 13, 2006 | Carrie Lukas

Posted on 04/13/2006 11:55:44 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds

Imagine a luxury liner sinking into artic waters with too few lifeboats for its passengers. Who would get those seats?

When the Titanic sank on April 15, 1912, the answer was obvious: women and children had first priority. Why was this? Certainly, the male passengers could have over-powered most of the women and saved their own lives. What kept them from doing so?

Chivalry. The idea that part of being a man (and certainly part of being a gentleman) is to sacrifice willingly to protect those who are more vulnerable. Of course, all those aboard the Titanic were equally vulnerable to the near freezing water. The men who gave their seats in the lifeboats gave their lives. Out of all of the Titanic's passengers, 74 percent of women lived while 80 percent of the men died.

Christina Hoff Sommers began her review of Harvey Mansfield's new book Manliness by reminding readers of the memorial erected by women in 1931 to honor those men on the Titanic. The memorial's inscription reads: "To the brave men who perished in the wreck of the Titanic. . . . They gave their lives that women and children might be saved." As Sommers suggests, this overlooked memorial is a fitting symbol of the state of chivalry or even of manliness today:

"...almost no one remembers those men. Women no longer bring flowers to the statue on April 15 to honor their chivalry. The idea of male gallantry makes many women nervous, suggesting (as it does) that women require special protection. It implies the sexes are objectively different. It tells us that some things are best left to men. Gallantry is a virtue that dare not speak its name."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: chivalry; feminism; manners; men; titanic
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To: American Quilter

I have gone onto buses with a few children and holding a baby. One of the nicest things I ever saw was an older man stand for my children and nudge a younger man to give up his seat, as well. If the bus is full and a lady gets on the bus and goes near our seat, I will often have my oldest son offer his seat. A lot of times, it is not accepted, though.


81 posted on 04/14/2006 12:53:14 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: tfecw
The first homeschooling family I ever met had children who said "ma'am" and "sir". I thought it quaint and have since worked on teaching my children the same. I even have the habit of saying it. I mentioned this on an email list on I am on. A lot of the women said they did not like it when people said ma'am. One even said children sound snotty when they say it. I think it might if forced, but not when it's a habit.

It's incredibly cute to hear my three year old ask, "Are you are a sir or a ma'am?" since he is still trying ot figure it out.

82 posted on 04/14/2006 12:57:45 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: tfecw
being from TX I say "mam" all the time.

everytime I have been up north my use of mam has had mixed reviews.
1: Don't call me mam...I am not old enough
2: Mam?!?!...this is 2006 don't use those old repressive anti-women words to me!
3: Mam?...oh how sweet...nice to see a gentleman still exist.
4: Mam??...you are not from here are you??

I refuse to change from being a southern gentleman so "mam" will stay in my dictionary...right next to "y'all"
83 posted on 04/14/2006 1:02:07 PM PDT by Casaubon (Internet Research Ninja Masta)
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To: null and void

Yep, I done good--i.e., I was lucky.


84 posted on 04/14/2006 1:05:39 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: tx_eggman

The scene was almost as satisfying as when Susie Sarandon falls off the wing of that airplane in "The Great Waldo Pepper". That one will wear out your rewind.


85 posted on 04/14/2006 1:19:54 PM PDT by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Chivalry didn't die, it was assassinated by ugly lesbians.


86 posted on 04/14/2006 1:22:00 PM PDT by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: Restorer

Yeah, well coastal California is a whole different country. Real civilization doesn't start until you are at least 100 km from the ocean. Dammit.


87 posted on 04/14/2006 4:35:36 PM PDT by null and void (<---- Proud son of a WWII, Korea, and Vietnam vet Marine...)
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To: HungarianGypsy
It's incredibly cute to hear my three year old ask, "Are you are a sir or a ma'am?" since he is still trying to figure it out.

LOL! When my daughter was a little bit older than that we had to go to a barbecue at my bosses' house. She wanted to know which one was the girl, Jim or Henry? (They're gay).

For some reason not long after that, I got terminated...

88 posted on 04/14/2006 4:41:10 PM PDT by null and void (<---- Proud son of a WWII, Korea, and Vietnam vet Marine...)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

I've got to go read this HArvey Mansfield book. If Naomi Wolf doesn't like it it must be good. LOL!


89 posted on 04/16/2006 4:28:35 AM PDT by buckeyesrule (It is baseball season!!!!!!)
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To: tfecw
***I used to say "yes ma'am", but two weeks in NY, and about a 100 "don't call me ma'am"s later i stopped.***

It's kinda funny to watch American Idol sometimes when you have alot of these young singers who grew up in the south who have been taught to refer to elders as "yes maam", "no maam", and the older New Yorkers or Hollywood types are like UGHH!!!! stop calling me maam. LOL!

90 posted on 04/16/2006 4:32:59 AM PDT by buckeyesrule (It is baseball season!!!!!!)
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