Posted on 03/31/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
Princeton University sociologist Douglas S. Massey reports that 62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security. Forbes magazine notes that Mexican illegals aren't clogging up the social-services system: only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance; 10 percent send kids to public schools.
Economist Larry Kudlow praises Hispanic entrepreneurship: "According to 2002 Census Bureau data, Hispanics are opening businesses at a rate three times faster than the national average. In addition, there were almost 1.6 million Hispanic-owned businesses generating $222 billion in revenue in 2002."
Total crime and property crime in California are half what they were in 1980; violent crime has fallen more than a third. The state's Hispanic population during that time has increased 120 percent.
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Have you ever watched the show "America's Most Wanted"?
For me, unions are full of communists, socialists, crooks, Christian haters, homo lovers, and mobster.
I gues you don't impress me with your pedigree.
I don't think Tony Snow is going to get a barf alert at this forum, and perhaps you should wonder why you're so out of touch to think so.
It's Maniacs Run Wild here at the forum lately. Maybe we should bring back Joe Hadenuf to lead the charge.
Woo Hoo! Mine the border!
Impeach Jorge!!
They believe that only statistics that support the anti-immigrant side should be posted. No rational debate should be allowed.
No, it just makes it hard to concentrate on your side of it when they are demonstrating in front of one's house.
The lowest 30% of American income earners not only have no income tax liability but they also qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit (which is a governmment or, more accurately, taxpayer subsidy). What percentage of illegal aliens do you think are in the top 70% of income earners...virtually none I will bet
only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance
There is no way to verify that because every state welfare agency as far as I know is prohibited from inquiring about an applicant's legal status. According to the US Census Bureau, 21% of all immigrants use various welfare programs...which is 43 percent higher than non-immigrants’ use (15 percent). There is no reason to believe that illegal immigrants (who are paid far less than other immigrants use welfare at the low rate this article claims
66 percent contribute to Social Security
The late John Attarian, who was one of the nation's foremost experts on Social Security, addressed the widespread myth that illegals are helping to save Social Security:
Immigration supporters argue that increasing immigration will push the taxpayer/beneficiary ratio back up and thereby avert the Social Security crisis. Seemingly sensible, this claim is extremely shaky.
Immigration contributes little to Social Security's finances. Alleged tax payments by illegal immigrants of $2.7 billion in 1990 were less than one percent of that year's Social Security revenues. So to substantially help Social Security, immigration would have to be much greater than it is now. Maintaining today's taxpayer/beneficiary ratio would require millions of immigrants every year, above future immigration already assumed by Social Security. Immigrants get old, too. So still more immigrants and their adult children would be needed to pay their benefits - perhaps 180 million by 2080. Adding such huge numbers of workers would depress labor productivity unless matched by trillions of dollars in investment. Since immigration is already making labor incomes stagnate, much higher immigration would almost certainly depress wages, and perhaps even reduce Social Security revenues. And most immigrants are poorly-educated and unskilled, hence earn low incomes, making them poor Social Security revenue sources.
Besides, much higher immigration would cause serious problems. The enormous population growth would overwhelm our infrastructure, energy supply, and natural resources, and greatly worsen urban sprawl. Political conflict is also likely, since poor working immigrants will understandably dislike being taxed to support wealthier Social Security retirees.
In some ways, immigration actually weakens Social Security. Some skilled foreign H-1B "guest workers" are recruited and supplied under contract to American firms. As employees of foreign firms, no Social Security taxes are withheld. Moreover, displacing Americans with cheaper immigrant labor means revenue losses for Social Security.
--John Attarian, Ph.D. (Economics) Author of Social Security: False Consciousness and Crisis
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thanks for missing the point completely -- the point was not addressing the number of illegals in prison, but the number of illegals outside prison, that were stated to be "unknown." If you don't know how many total illegals there are, you cannot expect to make any serious statistical inferences about those in prison, as a proportion of the "illegal" population.
the other 90% continue to be illiterate and unassimilated.
I'm waiting for the Borg to come...
I'm paraphrasing, but his basic point was that "Los Angeles is now the first Latino megalopolis in the country."
His parents-the reporter's-encouraged him to assimilate-like everyone back then-but now that's no longer the case.
He hinted at this-but didn't state it explicitly-which is that the U.S. is becoming less like America and more like Mexico.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a smog-ridden, densely-populated mega-city that eclipses 10 million people-those that are accounted for-in the next decade, a la Mexico City D.F.
The Reconquista has begun.
Tony Snow will also tell you there are 10 to 11 million illegal immigrates in the usa. A more correct figure would be 20-25 million. I do not believe any government stats on illegals, I believe my lying eyes instead.
They believe that only statistics that support the anti-immigrant side should be posted. No rational debate should be allowed.
No, it just makes it hard to concentrate on your side of it when they are demonstrating in front of one's house.
I don't care if they open 1000 businesses, come here as millionaires, brain sugeons, quantum physicists or anything else. If they're here illegally--DEPORT'em. What is it about CRIMINAL that the "illegal immigrant lovers" don't understand??
Bingo
And naturally you assume that that was because of a law that the people themselves voted for. Of course! It's always been a bedrock principle of politics that you can't let people vote for something that's unpopular. :-S
No. I don't see that illegal immigration or Prop 187 has caused the GOP to "lose control" of California -- its legislature has been controlled by the D's for decades, and it's been a liberal mess for at least as long.
Snow throws out the good news and the bad news, and concludes, America is still a great place. We know all that Tony. Most Americans want to make sure this nation remains a great place far into the future. Amnesty for illegals and continued open borders isn't the right way to go. Period.
Illegal immigration is about breaking US law, abusing the system and generally undermining the lives of law abiding US citizens. Promoting illegal immigration also undermines the efforts of foreigners to become legal citizens at some future date. Illegals have no rights. They shouldn't be given special treatment and allowed to go to the head of the line, in front of folks who've followed the legal immigration process from the get-go.
Most Americans have no problem with legal immigration. Some might want to reduce the over annual legal immigration numbers, some may want to increase those numbers. However, the vast majority of Americans oppose illegal immigration, backdoor guest worker-amnesty, employers who hire illegals and illegals who drain funding from the US social welfare system.
Illegal immigration is wrong and it needs to stop.
After all, they're only doing jobs that no American-like her-wants to or should be doing.
Like conservative punditress.
I gaurantee you that the next Sec'y of Labor won't have a green card.
I encounter lots of (very likely) illegal immigrants who pay their full share of taxes. They have very convincing ID that employers are unable to verify. Even if an easy method of verification existed (which it does NOT), they can not verify in California without risking discrimination suits for "discriminating" against certain applicants. In any case, since a company's competitors also employ these folks, it simply does not pay, in any way, to turn down these laborers.
The anti-illegal immigration crowd keeps harping on walls and expulsion. However, these simply won't work without a rational system of legal immigration. Calling all rational systems "amnesty" shows a pathetic understanding of economics and how this is really working in real world, as well as the political realities and changing demographics of the nation.
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