Posted on 03/29/2006 1:04:29 PM PST by Crackingham
The "War on Christmas" has morphed into a "War on Christians."
Last December, some evangelical Christian groups declared that the religious celebration of Christmas -- and even the phrase "Merry Christmas" -- was under attack by the forces of secularism. This week, radio commentator Rick Scarborough convened a conference in Washington on the "War on Christians and the Values Voters in 2006." The opening session was devoted to "reports from the frontlines" on "persecution" of Christians in the United States and Canada, including an artist whose paintings were barred from a municipal art show in Deltona, Fla., because they contained religious themes.
Among the conference's speakers were former House majority leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) and Sens. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) and Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and conservative Christian leaders Phyllis Schlafly, Rod Parsley, Gary Bauer, Janet Parshall and Alan Keyes.
To many of the 400 evangelicals packed into a small ballroom at the Omni Shoreham Hotel, it was a hard but necessary look at moral relativism, hedonism and Christophobia, or fear of Christ, to pick just a few terms offered by various speakers referring to the enemy. To some outsiders, it illuminated the paranoia of the Christian right.
"Certainly religious persecution existed in our history, but to claim that these examples amount to religious persecution disrespects the experiences of people who have been jailed and died because of their faith," said Hollyn Hollman, general counsel of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty.
"This is a skirmish over religious pluralism, and the inclination to see it as a war against Christianity strikes me as a spoiled-brat response by Christians who have always enjoyed the privileges of a majority position," said the Rev. Robert Franklin, a minister in the Church of God in Christ and professor of social ethics at Emory University.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
if you include one - you include all - even muslim art
on public property ? - shouldnt happen to begin with
....and your comments regarding the Afghan Christian are spot on
How about being found guilty of child abuse for rasing your children as Christians?
How about loosing your job because you won't perform an abortion?
Wow, its hard to believe this is happening in our country.
Please post some links.
"Please post some links."
http://www.harpazo.net/Notes3.html#Reading
You said it brother. Let's all whine and bitch about how we feeeeeel about things some more, 'cause that's really done everyone a lot of good. And I am not excluding for a second the morons on the left who got this whole culture of victimhood started.
You're kidding right?
ID is a scam cooked up by the Discovery Institute. Behe admitted under oath that for ID to be called "science" that the definition of science would have to change to include the likes of astrology. It is a belief, not a theory.
Besides, DI fellowes and numerous ID proponents here claim it has nothing to do with religion.
Or are they just deliberately misspeaking?
http://www.harpazo.net/Notes3.html#Reading
You have got to be kidding. I spent some time (time that I will unfortunately NEVER get back) perusing that website and its links. There is not a single instance of any of the items you posted earlier. It's mostly crybaby BS about how people aren't being allowed to proselytize at schools or at their jobs.
Again....boo hoo hoo, cry me a frickin' river. Y'all should get t-shirts made up that say "I'm a victim, please feel sorry for me."
Persecution in Afghanistan: they try to cut off your head for converting to Christianity.
More specifics...
"How about being imprisoned for preaching that homosexuality is a sin?"
Swedish Pastor Sentenced for 'Hate Speech'
http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/CWN/091004sweden.asp
The Criminalization of Christianity
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/news/050210a.asp
How about being found guilty of child abuse for rasing your children as Christians?
Religion ‘a form of child abuse’
http://www.sundayherald.com/53427
Calif. Psychologist Wants 'Extreme Bias' Against Homosexuals Added To DSM ('Homophobia' a disorder?)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1566731/posts
" How about loosing your job because you won't perform an abortion?"
Fired EMT Sues After Refusing to Transport Woman for Abortion
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1134472/posts
Nurse fired for refusing to give abortion pill -Files Suit Claiming Religious Beliefs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1431146/posts
"And the fact that a born-again, evangelical Christian could never be elected to be President."
Oh my GOSH!!!! I completely forgot about that terrible fact. It's just awful that this whole string of atheists and Muslims has been elected president.
pinging you to #130 fro reference material.
>>>But as a Christian it's a bit embarrassing to be complaining about censored "Christian" art when a Christian in Afghanistan just barely got out of the country with his life.<<<
Embarassing how?
>>>We trivialize the word "persection" when we make it refer to trivial matters like Christmas displays.<<<
Christians should keep their mouths shut until they are being fed to the lions, right?
>>>I see Christians being pushed into a corner in this country. Somewhere we are going to have to draw a line in the sand and fight for our religious liberties. If we don't then I can only conclude that it must be God's will for the Church in America to undergo a great persecution.<<<
The Book of The Revelation, Chapter 12, talks about Satan's war against Christians in the last days. While reading, keep in mind that the "man child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron" is not Jesus, but the annointed one who appears in the last days. Rev 2:26-27 provides Jesus' Word on the matter.
This verse summarizes our current situation: "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" -- Revelation 12:17
Just for curiosity, why do you insert 'G-d' in place of 'God'. Are you ashamed of writing 'God'? What gives?
"I consider firing someone for their religious beliefs, persecution. In this country, we usually don't kill someone for anything other than murder. However, we are starting to deny people jobs, if they take a stand on certain moral issues. At this time, those issues are usually abortion or homosexuality."
Since homosexuals have been routinely denied employment for their "stand on certain moral issues", I assume you acknowledge that the Homos are being persecuted?
Uh... you may have noticed I said "based", not "carbon copied". If you want to maintain as many do that the founding fathers had atheist leanings and weren't influenced by the commandments, so be it. However, since you consider those "Lord" statements unconstituional consider a legal government document that ends:
"Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth."
This is of course the Constitution, the summation before Washington started the delegates'signatures. The year 1787 does seem to indicate that the "Lord" mentioned was in fact Jesus. They could have distanced themselves a bit by using Anno Domini, the latin version, or maybe gone a bit further with the simple A.D., but clearly no one felt the need.
Contrast this with the modern desperation to remove crosses from images and Commandments from courthouses.
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