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What Is the Value of Algebra?
The Washington Post ^ | February 16, 2006 | Richard Cohen

Posted on 03/07/2006 10:12:59 AM PST by RBroadfoot

None, according to Richard Cohen of the Washington Post.

EXCERPT: I am haunted by Gabriela Ocampo. ... failing algebra six times in six semesters, trying it a seventh time and finally just despairing over ever getting it.

The L.A. school district now requires all students to pass a year of algebra ...

Here's the thing, Gabriela: You will never need to know algebra. I have never once used it and never once even rued that I could not use it. ...

Gabriela, sooner or later someone's going to tell you that algebra teaches reasoning. This is a lie propagated by, among others, algebra teachers. Writing is the highest form of reasoning. This is a fact. Algebra is not. The proof of this, Gabriela, is all the people in my high school who were whizzes at math but did not know a thing about history and could not write a readable English sentence. ...

Algebra ruined many a day for me. Now it could ruin your life.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: education; matheducation
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To: SoothingDave
infinity That was quick, here are your e-donuts. OOOOOOOOOO :)
341 posted on 03/07/2006 12:12:02 PM PST by IYAAYAS (Live free or die trying)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Education ping.


342 posted on 03/07/2006 12:12:08 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: MineralMan
On the other hand, my old house, built in 1954 was done the old-fashioned way, and it's still square. My in-laws house was built in the 90s and isn't.

I suspect there are two main reasons for these differences. First and foremost, years ago, craftsmanship was a first priority for builders. Today, speed means money.

Secondly, the house built in the 50's was probably framed with lumber cut from old growth timber. Forests planted today reach maturity so quickly, I believe they lose much in quality.

343 posted on 03/07/2006 12:12:18 PM PST by Quilla
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To: IYAAYAS

Is that approaching infinity from the right or the left?


344 posted on 03/07/2006 12:13:33 PM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: Tokra

Indian civilization invented zero, this invention was transmitted to Europe via the Arabs. Remember in 800AD much of what today is Arab/Islamic was then Roman/Christain. Islam had not yet completely turned the lights out on the older Roman civilization.


345 posted on 03/07/2006 12:14:20 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Fawn
Why is it I just can't grab my calulator and say: 508.00 minus 6%? You would think I would get the right number....

Try this: 508-508*.06, you'll get the right answer.

346 posted on 03/07/2006 12:16:25 PM PST by IYAAYAS (Live free or die trying)
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To: Fawn
Why is it I just can't grab my calulator and say: 508.00 minus 6%? You would think I would get the right number....

Because you don't want to take 6% off of the figure you have.

You want to know which figure had 6% added to it to yield the number you have now.

SD

347 posted on 03/07/2006 12:16:56 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: trubluolyguy
Admittedly, my eyes glazed over right about this point here.

I'm glad you did. I made a mistake in the second equation :-)
[Hint: I forgot to carry the decimal point.]

At any rate, after reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion that most people are quite capable of doing algebra; they just prefer to call the variables something more colorful than x or y.

A friend of mine is taking geometry as part of the curriculum to become a teacher. She can play quite well computer games dealing with shapes, such as Tetris, but she's struggling in geometry. I guess the lack of color and pizazz in the math books leads to her brain refusing to see the geometry concepts she already knows by playing computer games.

348 posted on 03/07/2006 12:17:14 PM PST by george wythe
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To: Beckwith

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/02/richard_cohen_advocate_for_ign.php

A slightly long piece which proves conclusively that Cohen is an idiot.

An idiot writing for the WaPOst? Nawwwwwwwwwwwwww!


349 posted on 03/07/2006 12:17:36 PM PST by Mogengator
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To: tiki

Yeah, I think recognizing that "math works in mysterious ways", especially in different minds, might help. For example, to this day, I cannot subtract if I have to "borrow" more than once, but I can add those things in my head, set them aside and come up with the answer. I basically can only get the answer by using the method prescribed for "checking your work". Strangely enough, though, geometry made perfect sense to me.


350 posted on 03/07/2006 12:17:45 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: SeƱor Zorro
Basic math (addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, fractions, decimals, and percents) is something that people are forced to do in their everyday lives, but Algebra is not.

What do you think algebra is? Algebra IS basic math. It is simply using the basic math you mention above in a rational and meaningful manner. Most people use algebra everyday and don't even realize it.

351 posted on 03/07/2006 12:18:16 PM PST by usapatriot28
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To: IYAAYAS; Fawn
Try this: 508-508*.06, you'll get the right answer.

No, you won't.

SD

352 posted on 03/07/2006 12:19:05 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: TankerKC

275 lbs? I am impressed, remind me never to piss you off.


353 posted on 03/07/2006 12:19:43 PM PST by jpsb
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To: ozzymandus
"Any form of math that has letters in it is useless."

Math with letters:

A-D-D-I-T-I-O-N

S-U-B-T-R-A-C-T-I-O-N

M-U-L-T-I-P-L-I-C-A-T-I-O-N

D-I-V-I-S-I-O-N

A-L-G-E-B-R-A...

;-)

354 posted on 03/07/2006 12:21:42 PM PST by Waryone
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To: RBroadfoot

UGH!!!!!!!!!! And we wonder why the MSM is so dumb. Algebra teaches us reasoning and deduction, and Geometry is *especially* important to forming reasoning skills. WTH is this moron going on about that you don't need Math, and that Writing is the only true form of Reason!??! There is only one thing that are facts in this world. Numbers. And that's only because *we* say so. :P


355 posted on 03/07/2006 12:24:01 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: SoothingDave
Formatting is for wimps. ;-)

So we finally meet my arch nemesis...

356 posted on 03/07/2006 12:24:46 PM PST by smith288 (http://angryprogrammer.typepad.com)
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To: george wythe
"That's the kind of 'algebra' that students are required to learn. If a person cannot do that, then he should not graduate from high school. Perhaps trade school would be more appropriate."

Breaking news...Most trade schools require that you know algebra, unless the trade is burger flipper.
357 posted on 03/07/2006 12:27:25 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Muleteam1
I still find myself doing trig in my head to solve complicated IT problems. It is a riot. Someday, I hope to go back to school and actually pass calculus. The only class I dropped without failing. *sigh*

It is funny, because there are some areas in which you use it a lot: Retail, Computer Science, Science, Accounting, Health. But then there are those in which you don't touch it.... Housekeeping, foodservice, etc. Hrm..... correlation? At least... that's what they taught me. Learn it and be someone. Or not, and DON'T.
358 posted on 03/07/2006 12:27:36 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: smith288
If your code is well documented and easy to follow, what's to stop them from hiring someone cheaper?

SD

359 posted on 03/07/2006 12:28:58 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Fawn

If the question was "what is 94% of 508?" you would. But in this case the question is "what number is 508 106% of?". Oh, was that a serious question, or are you just demonstrating why having a functioning calculator is not enough to reach the right answer? - you need to know the right question, to start with.


360 posted on 03/07/2006 12:31:47 PM PST by -YYZ-
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