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modbee ^ | 2-25-06

Posted on 02/25/2006 9:09:38 PM PST by LouAvul

Margaret Lawston was reluctant to tell her friends what she was doing on Thursday nights. When she finally told them she was spending her evenings at a mosque learning about Islam, most of them had the same reaction: Why?

One friend told her it was spiritually wrong. Lawston, a retired schoolteacher and a Catholic, assured her friend that she wasn't going to convert. Lawston just wanted to know more about the faith.

"I decided I didn't want to hear any more propaganda from either side. I wanted to learn about Islam for myself," says Lawston, who is taking a free 10-week course called "Discover Islam" at the SALAM center in Sacramento. "I wanted to get my questions answered and learn about their beliefs from someone who can explain them."

Violent protests over the Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad have sparked renewed questions about and criticism of Islam. Not since the early days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, say some Muslim leaders, have so many people questioned them about their religion. "A lot of people don't know what to think because there is a lot of misinformation out there," says Imam Mohammed Abdul Azeez of the Sacramento Area League of Associated Muslims mosque.

Mosque officials expected only about a dozen people to sign up for the course. Instead, 40 showed up.

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To: highlander_UW
So she didn't want to hear propaganda from "either" side, so she takes a course from the one side that has "scriptural" authorization to lie?

Something tells me that Al-Taqiyyah won't be part of the introductory course.
21 posted on 02/25/2006 9:26:43 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: RobbyS
What abouit the thousand years of war between Islam and Christendom, most of which time Islam was on the offensive?

Supposed to ignore it ever happened. Remember: Islam is a Religion of Peace*

 

 

 

*No matter how many people are killed.

22 posted on 02/25/2006 9:26:50 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: LouAvul
I wanted to learn about Islam for myself," says Lawston, who is taking a free 10-week course called "Discover Islam" at the SALAM center in Sacramento. "I wanted to get my questions answered and learn about their beliefs from someone who can explain them."

I guess she would want to learn all there is to know, propaganda-free, about Mormonism from the missionaries; or about Jehovah's Witnesses, from door knockers.

Yep; nothing like consulting unbiased sources, to get the truth about something.

Glad she is a retired teacher.

23 posted on 02/25/2006 9:27:26 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: LouAvul

The image of Islam in action.


24 posted on 02/25/2006 9:28:01 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: Mount Athos

Thanks.. Yep, that about says it. If only I could man an MG-42 at the end of that crowd.. Sigh.


25 posted on 02/25/2006 9:29:10 PM PST by Lauretij2
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To: LouAvul

She needs to read Robert Spencers' book, "the politically incorrect guide to islam"!


26 posted on 02/25/2006 9:29:26 PM PST by MountainDad
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To: F16Fighter
I can't see the ports of New York and New Jersey through the smoke and fire.

Oh don't worry about those ports. I'm sure our good friends from the UAE will take good care of them.

(unsure whethere to put sarcasm tag on or off)

(like your tagline, though)

27 posted on 02/25/2006 9:30:44 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Calpernia
"Five years ago, my man had left me. I had two babies, and one on the way.
Chances are that "man" wasn't her husband...and there were multiple fathers for those kids...easier to blame George Bush, the Republicans, The Man, or society instead of taking self-responsibility.
28 posted on 02/25/2006 9:31:14 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Hildy
My Sister-in-law, a devout Christian, decided to do the same thing...she's more scared today than she was before taking the class. She's actually read the Koran.

What's to be scared about?

Jesus has overcome the world and tells all of His followers to be of good courage.

There is no "Allah" and what we're seeing are the desperate last attacks by those hopelessly lost. Those who hate Israel, and all who support her.

We have NOTHING to fear. These Islamic radicals are pathetic lost sickos. I feel sorry for them.

29 posted on 02/25/2006 9:31:44 PM PST by Jorge
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To: LouAvul

I'm sure reality and these weeks of presentations have quite a divide regarding reality.


30 posted on 02/25/2006 9:32:20 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Calpernia


Woman being prepared for stoning by muslims.
31 posted on 02/25/2006 9:32:47 PM PST by Kirkwood ("When the s*** hits the fan, there is enough for everyone.")
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To: Calpernia
. Her closing pitch, claiming that Christianity was a “white” religion, while Islam was a religion for blacks, clearly resonated with her audience.

Mentioned that Muhammad owned slaves? No?!
32 posted on 02/25/2006 9:33:16 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: peyton randolph

The lies that the American left tell us about the Crusades. Details, such as the fact that the majority or large minority of of the people in Syria were still Christian at the time of the First Crusade are ignored. Or the crimes perpetrated by the invadinf Seljuk Turks. The story is that a peaceful Islam was invaded by barbarians from the wild West.


33 posted on 02/25/2006 9:34:43 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: peyton randolph

True. I just wanted to add an actual recruiting scenario to the thread since this Lawston woman in this article wanted to go to a 10 week course.


34 posted on 02/25/2006 9:35:53 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

>>> Mentioned that Muhammad owned slaves? No?!

How about, mention any Muslim CONVERT is to be taken as a slave? No.


35 posted on 02/25/2006 9:37:53 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Ignoring inconvenient facts such as that slavery was not suppressed in East Africa until the British took over.


36 posted on 02/25/2006 9:40:22 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: LouAvul
What a lube job that article is!

That night, he was resting in his cave when the angel Gabriel appeared and revealed to Muhammad the first verses of what came to be known as the Quran.

Uh huh! And naturally the only one to witness this just happened to be Mohammed himself. Sure. Interestingly, he also questioned whether parts of his visions were demonic. He should have listened to that side of his schizo self.

"Muhammad didn't abuse his sword," says Kabbani. "He wanted to live in peace."

That's right, he considered his use of it entirely appropriate!

I wonder if they teach about how he married his wife Aisha when she was 6-years old and consumated the marriage with her when she was the ripe old age of 9! Somehow I imagine that part gets left ouf of Islam 101.

I can't believe that there's a woman in the free world that isn't terrified of being a muslim woman. Millions of muslim women would love to have their freedom from Islam, and here's one doing her best to shackle herself into a life of subservience. Unbelieveable.

37 posted on 02/25/2006 9:41:09 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Calpernia

“Well, sisters, let me tell you that Islam worships the same God that your Baptist, your Methodist, your Holiness churches worship. Same God."

Liar, Liar, burka on fire


38 posted on 02/25/2006 9:41:48 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: LouAvul
"I wanted to get my questions answered and learn about their beliefs from someone who can explain them."

WHY NOT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH?

MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:

KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF THEO van GOGH and the CARTOON RIOTS:

Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger
. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

APOSTATES TO BE KILLED BY UNSPECIFIED BELIEVERS:
This type of instruction throughout the Koran is the source of autonomous "radicalism".

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):

KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:

KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (Mat 7:1-2)


ISLAM DELENDA EST!

39 posted on 02/25/2006 9:43:35 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Something tells me that Al-Taqiyyah won't be part of the introductory course.

Actually, I'm sure it'll be a huge portion of the 10 week course...although it'll never be covered as a topic of the course.

40 posted on 02/25/2006 9:49:14 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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