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Holocaust denier Irving is jailed [Three years]
BBC News on line ^ | February 20, 2006 | Unsigned

Posted on 02/20/2006 12:58:55 PM PST by aculeus

British historian David Irving has been found guilty in Vienna of denying the Holocaust of European Jewry and sentenced to three years in prison.

He had pleaded guilty to the charge, based on a speech and interview he gave in Austria in 1989.

"I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," he told the court in the Austrian capital.

Irving appeared stunned by the sentence, and told reporters: "I'm very shocked and I'm going to appeal."

An unidentified onlooker told him: "Stay strong!".

Irving's lawyer said he considered the verdict "a little too stringent".

"I would say it's a bit of a message trial," said Elmar Kresbach.

Karen Pollock, chief executive of the UK's Holocaust Educational Trust welcomed the verdict. "Holocaust denial is anti-Semitism dressed up as intellectual debate. It should be regarded as such and treated as such," Ms Pollock told the BBC News website.

But the author and academic Deborah Lipstadt, who Irving unsuccessfully sued for libel in the UK in 2000 over claims that he was a Holocaust denier, said she was dismayed.

"I am not happy when censorship wins, and I don't believe in winning battles via censorship... The way of fighting Holocaust deniers is with history and with truth," she told the BBC News website.

Fears that the court case would provoke right-wing demonstrations and counter-protests did not materialise, the BBC's Ben Brown at the court in Vienna said.

Irving arrived in the court room handcuffed, wearing a blue suit, and carrying a copy of Hitler's War, one of many books he has written on the Nazis, and which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.

Irving was arrested in Austria in November, on a warrant dating back to 1989, when he gave a speech and interview denying the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz.

He was stopped by police on a motorway in southern Austria, where he was visiting to give a lecture to a far-right student fraternity. He has been held in custody since then.

'I've changed'

During the one-day trial, he was questioned by the prosecutor and chief judge, and answered questions in fluent German.

He admitted that in 1989 he had denied that Nazi Germany had killed millions of Jews. He said this is what he believed, until he later saw the personal files of Adolf Eichmann, the chief organiser of the Holocaust.

"I said that then based on my knowledge at the time, but by 1991 when I came across the Eichmann papers, I wasn't saying that anymore and I wouldn't say that now," Irving told the court.

"The Nazis did murder millions of Jews."

In the past, he had claimed that Adolf Hitler knew little, if anything, about the Holocaust, and that the gas chambers were a hoax.

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The judge in his 2000 libel trial declared him "an active Holocaust denier... anti-Semitic and racist".

On Monday, before the trial began, he told reporters: "I'm not a Holocaust denier. Obviously, I've changed my views.

"History is a constantly growing tree - the more you know, the more documents become available, the more you learn, and I have learned a lot since 1989."

Asked how many Jews were killed by Nazis, he replied: "I don't know the figures. I'm not an expert on the Holocaust."

Of his guilty plea, he told reporters: "I have no choice."

He said it was "ridiculous" that he was being tried for expressing an opinion.

"Of course it's a question of freedom of speech... I think within 12 months this law will have vanished from the Austrian statute book," he said.

Story from BBC NEWS:

Published: 2006/02/20 20:19:07 GMT

© BBC MMVI


TOPICS: United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: davidirving; holocaustdenier; irving
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To: Cleburne
Intelligent of them to create martyrs for the neo-Nazis..

They should suspend the sentence and throw him out of Austria.

81 posted on 02/20/2006 7:12:50 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus

The punishment being meted out to Irving is exponentially more dangerous and unjust in it's Orwellian implications than any absurd historical fabrication that led to his legal scourging.


82 posted on 02/20/2006 7:23:27 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: RegulatorCountry
The man sounds creepy, but there is something profoundly disturbing about being extradited from your home country and tried for an offense that was committed in your home country, that is not illegal there.

From the article, it indicates he was arrested for what he said while in Austria.
83 posted on 02/20/2006 7:26:43 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: DMZFrank
The punishment being meted out to Irving is exponentially more dangerous and unjust in it's Orwellian implications than any absurd historical fabrication that led to his legal scourging.

Agreed.

84 posted on 02/20/2006 7:31:34 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Peter Libra
This has been a little to much, this last ten days- Richard Cheney and all.

Can I ask what Cheney has to do with this discussion?

85 posted on 02/20/2006 8:13:10 PM PST by CA Conservative
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To: CA Conservative
What has Richard Cheney to do with this discussion?

Nothing.

The stress of seeing a good man hounded unfairly left me mentally exhausted. Then the case of Irving. I feel drained thats all.

86 posted on 02/20/2006 8:56:05 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: aculeus
I wonder if David Irving isn't of Jewish descent himself....one of those self-loathing types we hear about all the time....those who deny and betray their heritage.

Leni

87 posted on 02/20/2006 9:05:06 PM PST by MinuteGal (Sail the Bounding Main to the Balmy, Palmy Caribbean on FReeps Ahoy 4. Register Now!)
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To: Petronski

Besides being told directly by Zundel's Canadian counsel, I have heard it from Ingrid Rimland Zundel, Ernst's American wife. Also, here is an article on the decision and the rather convoluted reasoning the tribunal used:

http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/resources/articles/online_hate/tribunal_decision_98.cfm


88 posted on 02/20/2006 9:07:04 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Swordmaker

Breathtaking. I'm completely stunned and non-plussed.


But I'm also very confused as to the relevance of this bizarre rule to the Zundel case, because I cannot see how "truth of the statement" could be a defense to a Holocaust denier.


Truly bizarre.


89 posted on 02/20/2006 9:14:32 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski
But I'm also very confused as to the relevance of this bizarre rule to the Zundel case, because I cannot see how "truth of the statement" could be a defense to a Holocaust denier.

Zundel requested permission to present evidence... he was denied on the grounds that even if his evidence were true, truth was not defense for speaking it. Zundel and his attorneys were not even allowed to see all of the "evidence" against him... or all of the charges he was accused of: they were "Secret".

90 posted on 02/20/2006 9:41:32 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Swordmaker

I suppose the Canadians believed Zundel intended to use his trial to present Holocaust denial rhetoric.


91 posted on 02/20/2006 9:43:23 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: MinuteGal
I wonder if David Irving isn't of Jewish descent himself....one of those self-loathing types we hear about all the time....those who deny and betray their heritage.

Good question.

92 posted on 02/21/2006 3:54:06 AM PST by aculeus
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