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Making Islam illegal -- is it the West's only choice?
Renew America ^ | 2/19/2006 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies

When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.

Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.

So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?

It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.

We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.

Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.

Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."

Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.

With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.

But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.

But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?

There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.

After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.

But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.

In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.

Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.

The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.

Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).

This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.

This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.

The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.

Unfortunately, it is just that simple.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; muslim; sharia; wot; yes
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To: r9etb

Hilarious! I know that guy. He lives over the garage at his mom's house and plays video games all day. His highest goal is to run Linux Red Hat on one of the new Macs.

His last girlfriend disappeared one day, and was found mummified beneath a huge pile of empty pizza boxes, along with his cat "Erasmus."

Uffda!


641 posted on 02/20/2006 1:37:33 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Melas; MineralMan
You're right. I misspoke. MineralMan (godless atheist) already called me on it. Please see post #463 for a somewhat less unclear expression of what I was trying to say.
642 posted on 02/20/2006 1:39:26 PM PST by null and void (That 12 jurors can overturn the leviathan of "The Law" strikes fear into statists across this nation)
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To: wvobiwan
We can't lose sight of the fact that most Muslims DO NOT endorse terrorism...

I cannot ignore the fact that most Muslims DO NOT publicly oppose Islamic terrorism.

643 posted on 02/20/2006 1:40:29 PM PST by delacoert
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To: mysterio
Won't some of you closet liberals please tell me what is the difference between Islam (both the terrorists and those who support them, tacitly or otherwise) and the KKK? The complicit who remain silent are just as guilty as the perpetrators.

So I'm a liberal now? Weak. Weak argument.

Never mind the denial. Just answer the question.

644 posted on 02/20/2006 1:41:04 PM PST by Mogengator
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To: Dark Skies

Bookmark for later.


645 posted on 02/20/2006 1:49:06 PM PST by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: Wormwood

What's the alternative for Islam? A time out? Well, it looks as if Iran is about to get a time out.


646 posted on 02/20/2006 1:52:40 PM PST by hershey
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To: hershey

Islam doesn't need to be outlawed. It just needs a course correction. It needs to learn how to play well with others.


647 posted on 02/20/2006 1:56:00 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Admin Moderator
Oh Pooh! I missed the excitement again!
648 posted on 02/20/2006 2:00:38 PM PST by null and void (That 12 jurors can overturn the leviathan of "The Law" strikes fear into statists across this nation)
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To: null and void

You didn't miss much, I promise.


649 posted on 02/20/2006 2:01:50 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

Thanks. I feel better...


650 posted on 02/20/2006 2:05:01 PM PST by null and void (That 12 jurors can overturn the leviathan of "The Law" strikes fear into statists across this nation)
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To: JCEccles

Maybe the radical Islam-excusing poseurs here will finally, reluctantly take up the fight to keep our precious liberties alive.

They better not be sittin' on a fence.They'd get it from both sides.


651 posted on 02/20/2006 2:05:28 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: observer5
Yes!!!


As another freeper mentioned, Islam is not a religion.
It is an aggressive militant movement disguising itself as a religion.


It will not ever assimilate itself into Western culture.


Therefore it needs to be outlawed here and in any other country that prides itself on being a free society.


OUTLAW ISLAM NOW!!!
652 posted on 02/20/2006 2:07:10 PM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: EBH
Melas, it is going on in many Mosques all over the USA. Aid, comfort, money...going to the Theocracy. Perhaps my area is just a hot bed for these kind of groups, but I wouldn't trust any of them...ever.

Don't get me wrong, I don't trust them either. I'm just not ready to start advocating the slaughter of civilian muslims in America as some have done in this thread before the mods removed the posts.

I know as well as anyone that you can't outlaw a belief.

653 posted on 02/20/2006 2:09:50 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: JCEccles

Islam won't accept 'correction' without the application of overwhelming force. There's simply no sitting down and talking reasonably with people who think it's fine and dandy to lie, cheat, and steal as long as it's against infidels. Moderate Muslims are afraid to speak out against violence. Presumably, they pick and choose what to follow from the Koran, but human nature being what it is, if Jihad succeeds, moderate Muslims will do more than go along to get along. They'll join in with ferocity. And we're not talking sticks and stones, it's nukes.

They won't tolerate Israel, the US, women's rights as half the human race, free speech, individual rights. Really, it's ridiculous to even have this discussion since we're the Great Satan. We're dithering about their rights and they're planning to obliterate us at the first opportunity. It's an eighth century culture mired in hatred, joblessness, jealousy, fear of emasculation...generations of that, fear of women, the list is endless. Islam is no better than the claptrap Jim Jones dinned into his followers'heads before he forced them to commit mass suicide.


654 posted on 02/20/2006 2:11:30 PM PST by hershey
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To: null and void
LOL! I read your FReeper page: "I don't give a d^mn about . . . someones . . . religion, . . . I do care about their honesty, their character, and their integrity."

According to those standards, Muhammad Atta was a blue ribbon prize winner. "We apologize for having to hack your head off, Mr. null and void. But we must remain honest and faithful to Allah. Our integrity is on the line. You do understand, don't you? Allah akhbar!"

655 posted on 02/20/2006 2:11:40 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: hershey

Besides, they've already declared war on the US and killed thousands of innocent Americans. That's the point at which any discussion of Islam should start. They've made their wishes perfectly clear. We owe them nothing less.


656 posted on 02/20/2006 2:15:29 PM PST by hershey
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To: All
While running a search for something totally frivilous, I just came across this...

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BTW, Star Academy is their version of "American Idol"

The comments are great!
Pictures ain't bad either.

May 03, 2005
100% Bin Laden or 100% Star Academy
2 days ago, LBC TV hosted a special discussion on one of its weekly program… The discussion was about Star Academy & Saudi Arabia culture after the winning of Hisham Abdul Rahman…

Three main guests talked and showed different opinions about Star Academy show and its good and bad sides on the Arab World… One of the guests was totally against Real TV programs and he was wondering if any Arab Family would send its daughter to participate in such programs!!! – Families from Lebanon, Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt, Syria and Algeria already sent their daughters… -

Another guest said in a sarcastic way: ‘Do we have to be either with 100% Bin Laden or 100% Star Academy??’

What is your opinion? Do Star Academy or Real TV shows contradict with your country or not?

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Comments
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Getting to the point of the subject now. Bin Laden is a psycho. He did something very wrong and HARAM. What is the so HARAM about Star Academy? Did they harm anyone? Did they kill people?

Saudi Arabia people have been making a big deal about Star Academy for no reason. There is nothing wrong with the damn program. We will hear comments every year for the same nonsense reason.

If those people do not like, disagree, or even find it HARAM, then they should not watch it. Just ban the channel. Period.

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Star Academy is haram, but, Haifa Wehbe is Halal?

Give the Muslims a break, please!!
I am Lebanese and Muslim. Haifa Wehbe is the shame for the Muslims and Arabs, although she is from the extremist Muslims.
I bet if Haifa Wehbe goes to Saudi Arabia for some concerts, all men would be all over her. Including all other muslim countries.
With all my respect, they need to get out of their own cage!

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I mean please! Mullas in Kuwait and KSA issued fatwas condemning the show as "satanic" and god knows what! You Don't like it? Then don't watch it and most of all don't fund it (Knowing that Saudis fund such programs) and much less send your own sons to take part in it! So much contradictions... Keep thinking this way and sooner than you know you'll be back to the stone age... you're halfway there anyways!

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It really has no relation with the country...coz inside each country u can find huge contradictions..its exactly the case in my country: 50% of families would never allow their daughters to participate in such programs...and the others,can not only send their daughters there but also allow some provocative behaviours!!!

Posted by: samie_jr at May 3, 2005 05:51 PM I think those pepople who makes "fatwa" that star ac is haram or something like that has to get a life!!!B The sheikhs can giva fatwa about terrorism and say that its HARAM TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE AND THAT THOSE PEROSONS WHO DO THOSE THINGS IN THE NAME OF ISLAM IN FACT DON´T FOLLOW THE RELIGION!!! I think they must make fatwa on serious things not on programms like star ac!!!!!

________________________ Star Academy doesn't contradict with my morals or values AT ALL. On the contrary, everything about it is so innocent its hard to believe that the contestants in star academy are of the same age as those on, for example, The Real World (here in the U.S). There is absolutely nothing sinful and the contestants living together, working together, and trying to reach their goals.

if a student doesnt go along with them, he or she are expected to be punished ...

let me put it straight... this program is a very immoral program run by very immoral people in an immoral station in a country full of immoral things ...

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The point is Saudi Arabia, and all the people who share the same opinion have that things about women only...Would you send your daughter??? they didn't say would you send your son!!! Everything is Halal for guys, Some of theses men claiming everything Haram they go to Syria, Lebanon, Morocoo and all open minded arab countries to get drunk and pay for sex....all kind of Haram they do it but when it comes to the women she needs to obey them and shut up....!!! Is it fair??????

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We are in 2005 and such a program is great program we learned how other Arabs live, speak, .....All the girls that participated were decent girls from good families and knew how to act within their culture and religion.....

DAMN IT PPL!.......GET OVER IT, WERE HUMANS, WE HAVE FEELINGS, WHATS WRONG WITH EXPRESSING THEM!

So please theses mini Ben Laden go get a life...if the programs bother you don't watch it...

657 posted on 02/20/2006 2:15:34 PM PST by najida (Me arguing for logic and against emotion is like Mother Teresa becoming a pole dancer.)
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To: hershey
We're dithering about their rights and they're planning to obliterate us at the first opportunity.

lol...

Ironic, isn't it? There's certain Keystone Kop quality to it.

658 posted on 02/20/2006 2:16:45 PM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: Melas

I know as well as anyone that you can't outlaw a belief.

No but you can make its practice illegal, like in Saudi Arabia etc...



659 posted on 02/20/2006 2:17:50 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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To: Dark Skies

It is ironic. PC thinking will get us killed.


660 posted on 02/20/2006 2:18:57 PM PST by hershey
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