Posted on 02/17/2006 8:01:45 PM PST by Mia T
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This is HARDBALL on MSNBC.
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[NOTE: My comments in blue.]
MATTHEWS: We're back with Anne Kornblut of "The New York Times" and Dana Milbank of "The Washington Post." Let's talk about Gotham's candidates for president.
First, Rudolph Giuliani, the pro-choice, pro-gay rights, former mayor spent today, or the day in Orlando speaking to a conference of Evangelicals.
Dana, he's up to it, isn't he? This is below the radar. This is Rudy campaigning for president in the south.
MILBANK: This is about as convincing as Jerry Falwell at the gay pride parade.
MATTHEWS: You don't buy this?
MILBANK: Well, he can try to do it. But, look, he faces an awful uphill battle in winning over the typical Republican voter in a primary. Now, if the election was fought on national security, he is fine. But he's never going to convince them that he is one of them, that he is a religious conservative.
KORNBLUT: Right and not only that, but he's going to be in a death struggle with John McCain for the exact same constituency.
MATTHEWS: Let me tell you something. I'll say it here a thousand time. Watch Rudolph Giuliani. Watch him. Security is the issue in this country. Whoever is the next president is going to be seen as more on the ball than even this president on security and terrorism. This country is not going sort on terrorism. We are going to get smarter on it is my hunch.
And Rudy is the guy to do it. And he can be an SOB in many ways. But this country may really want an SOB, a really tough cop as the next president. So watch Rudy, I'm saying it.
Now here is Hillary Clinton, that other New Yorker in the subway series. A new Gallup poll just came out. "USA TODAY" Gallup poll, it shows that 16 percent say that they'll definitely vote for Hillary right now, 32 percent say they might vote for her.
But here's the dagger in the back. Fifty-one percent say they would definitely not vote for Hillary Clinton already the campaign hasn't begun.
KORNBLUT: I mean, this is exactly what Democrats are worried about is that already people have made up their minds. I would argue, I guess, that it is awfully early. We all know how early it is to be talking about this.
MATTHEWS: Definitely.
KORNBLUT: Definitely? What does definitely mean? [Definitely means DEFINITELY.] You know, you would have to see how is the question exactly phrased, all that stuff. It is early. [Actually Anne, it is late. In fact, it is too late. The country knows exactly who this woman is, Anne.]
MATTHEWS: But there's lot of tooth behind that. If somebody tells a pollster, I've already made up my mind definitely.
KORNBLUT: And, look, I know more Democrats who believe this though than Republicans. A lot of Republicans say that this is a deceptive number, that once she gets out there with all of her money running against who, Giuliani or McCain, the numbers may not be that weak. [She has 100% name recognition, Anne. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Even when the sow isn't hillary.]
MATTHEWS: How much of that is don't throw me in that briar patch, Dana? We're so afraid of Hillary. Please don't run her against us. She'll kill us.
MILBANK: Anne is right that these polls are completely useless because you don't know what the alternative is. But the fact is that she... [Earth to Dana: 51% would vote for their mother-in-law before they would vote for HER.]
MATTHEWS: OK. McCain against Hillary. Who wins?
MILBANK: Well, that's fine. If you can tell me that's how it is going to turn out. But we don't know.
MATTHEWS: Well, let me ask you about these definite numbers in a poll. Do you believe the definite? Do you believe somebody right in 2006 knows how they are going to vote in 2008?
MILBANK: I think they definitely think that's what they are going to do right now, but they have no idea what they are going to be doing in a couple years. And Hillary is going to have the opposite problem of Rudy. And that is she's absolutely fine with her base if she decides to run. But she is seemingly incapable of crossing over.
MATTHEWS: The poll was taken over the week right through Sunday, the Gallup poll. And the Gallup poll is, of course, the most prestigious poll there is right now and has been for years.
Dana, do you think she's paying the price for her plantation remark last week?
MILBANK: Probably not. Because, once again, plays very well the base. The people who were objecting to it were never going to support her in the first case. And I really think the only thing that this is right now is do people recognize her name. [What is it you don't understand, here? We recognize her name, yes. And we abhor the person attached to that name. Get it?]
KORNBLUT: And I would add to that. It's 51 percent say definitely not. Remember the margin that's we've been talking about in the last few presidential races, 51 percent is terrible, but all she would have to do is bump it by a few numbers, a few percentage points and be OK. [I can see why Pinch hired you, Anne. Your Alice-in-Wonderland illogic is quintessential New York Times. With 100% name recognition and roughly 10% corruption recognition (thanks in no small measure to your rag), missus clinton has only one way to go. And it isn't up.]
... Anyway, thank you Anne Kornblut of "The New York Times," Dana Milbank of "The Washington Post."
Join us again tomorrow night at 5:00 and 7:00 Eastern for more HARDBALL. Right now it is time for "THE ABRAM'S REPORT" with Dan.
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And many people know very little about what is already known. For example, many people don't have a clue about the clintons' rape of Juanita Broaddrick.
Missus clinton has 100% name recognition and at most 10% corruption recognition, which means her support has only one way to go. And it isn't up.
Pence and Allen, as incumbent elected representatives to the United States Congress, can only be judged by how they've supported the President and his initiatives regarding the WOT. Both men pass the grade magnificently as each has adamantly and persistently supported GWB's agenda as it pertains to the WOT.Both men have given every indication that they would continue on in like manner.
Aside from the WOT a President's job entails much more. As important as the former is, it's success could very well be hampered by an economic downturn along with further moral erosion in this country.
Pence and Allen are proven social and economic conservatives who don't belittle Judeo-Christian values. Those very same values this nation was founded upon.
Pence and Allen also would'nt seek to unconstitutionally disarm law-abiding citizens, nor would they support the denigration of the institute of marriage.
I'm disappointed by your misuse of that photo. (Ad hominem in drag is still ad hominem.)
If the high-heel fits...
And if you're disappointed now, you're in for a lot more if Giuliani declares his intention to run in '08. That picture will be ubiquitously published across this country.
And a point of clarification: If I had Photoshopped the image then your charge of "ad hominem" would be justified. Since it is an actual image your charge is invalid.
If post-9/11 New York City is a microcosm of post-9/11 America, (and it is) then how can you say he hasn't demonstrated his competence to be POTUS during these perilous times?
Then why not run Bloomberg? NYC hasn't been attacked since he's been mayor.
It's always been the fear of Hillary becoming president someday that has kept people from investigating and/or revealing the depth of their corruption. The moment it becomes apparent that these felons will never soil (pardon the pun) the oval office again, and the fear of retribution (aka death) is eliminated, the real story will finally be told
Mia, great job on tracking this evil witch..
You can learn more about Senator Allen here.
Unfortunately no data, pertaining to national issues, on Rudy Giuliani is available.
Yup, and they're still doing so, as you no doubt know.
MM
With the modern public Internet, I think we're going to soon REALLY find out about the Whitewater fiasco, what REALLY happened at the Rose Law Firm, explain the mysterious deaths of Vince Foster and Ron Brown, explain all that womanizing by former President Clinton, prove or disprove once and for all rumors that Senator Clinton has lesbian tendencies, and who knows what other skeletons in the closet we have yet to learn about.
Like I said earlier, Senator Clinton won't know what hit her.
And if you're disappointed now, you're in for a lot more if Giuliani declares his intention to run in '08. That picture will be ubiquitously published across this country. My little pun notwithstanding, photoshopping isn't the only way to misrepresent a photo. Not supplying the context or implying a false context are others. I don't know what you were trying to prove with that photo--(ok, perhaps I do)--but Rudy put on the lipstick and lace for charity.
You know that parameter is hardly sufficient. That said, Bloomberg would probably make a better president than most |
Your tagline is the best reason not to vote for Giuliani...
If Giuliani was serious about knocking Hitlery out of the box he would take her out of the Senate first.
He will only get in it (or made to appear so by the leftists in the media) to help Hitlery.
Machiavellian tactics like the last New York race for Hitlery's senate seat.
If Giuliani was serious about knocking Hitlery out of the box he would take her out of the Senate first.
He will only get in it (or made to appear so by the leftists in the media) to help Hitlery.
Machiavellian tactics like the last New York race for Hitlery's senate seat.
Never know when another bout of colon cancer will kill your run for office
Global character, persuasive speaker??? I sure as hell ain't impressed...
We need a man of physical stature as president... Giuliani don't cut it in that department... skinny, bald, glasses, weak and sickly...
Now, George Allen fits the bill and so does Jeb Bush. Either one of those fellas look good in a Stetson and pointy boots. (Condoleeza looks good in spike heeled boots and has a steely glare.)
War on Terror??? It ain't gonna be won in a courtroom by skinny, tassle shoed, pencil neck lawyers...
We need a man of physical stature as president... Giuliani don't cut it in that department... skinny, bald, glasses, weak and sickly...Now, George Allen fits the bill and so does Jeb Bush. Either one of those fellas look good in a Stetson and pointy boots. (Condoleeza looks good in spike heeled boots and has a steely glare.)
War on Terror??? It ain't gonna be won in a courtroom by skinny, tassle shoed, pencil neck lawyers...
Weaponized garments and a warrior affect as requirements work for me. ;)
(Of course, that just about eliminates all presidents past, present and wannabe.)
thx ;)
As has always been the case, month after month, year after year -another superb article by you Mia T. Thank you.
Thank you, Sic Luceat Lux. :)
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Speaking of personal affectations and facades, I'd say a "global character" would be a good example.
The requirement that works for me is one who has read, and comprehends, our Constitution. Guiliani does not meet this condition.
Question: Do you believe Giuliani would seek the Presidency out of a sincere wish, stemming from patriotism and love for America, to serve our nation or because he's attracted to the power and prestige of the office?
Maybe now is the time for us to register as Demos so we can ..ahem.. affect the nomination process.
We need a man of physical stature as president... Giuliani don't cut it in that department... skinny, bald, glasses, weak and sickly... Now, George Allen fits the bill and so does Jeb Bush. Either one of those fellas look good in a Stetson and pointy boots. (Condoleeza looks good in spike heeled boots and has a steely glare.) War on Terror??? It ain't gonna be won in a courtroom by skinny, tassle shoed, pencil neck lawyers...
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Good intentions... and a philosophy consistent with winning the wot... are necessary characteristics, but they are not sufficient. The GOP candidate in '08 must, in my view, have a proven record of accomplishment in that area. The era of the Placebo President is over. Perhaps more important, he (and I believe the winning candidate will be a 'he')* must (obviously) have the ability to win the election. And I'm not sure Allen or Pence does. |
... While America appears not to be ready for a female president under any circumstances, the post-9/11 realities pose special problems for a female presidential candidate. Add to these the problems unique to missus clinton. The reviews make the mistake of focusing on the problems of the generic female presidential candidate running during ordinary times. These are not ordinary times. America is waging the global War on Terror; the uncharted territory of asymmetric netherworlds is the battlefield; the enemy is brutal, subhuman; the threat of global conflagration is real. Defeating the enemy isn't sufficient. For America to prevail, she must also defeat a retrograde, misogynous mindset. To successfully prosecute the War on Terror, it is essential that the collective patriarchal islamic culture perceives America as politically and militarily strong. Condi Rice excepted, this requirement presents an insurmountable hurdle for any female presidential candidate, and especially missus clinton, historically antimilitary--(an image, incidentally, that is only enhanced today by her clumsy, termagant parody of Thatcher), forever the pitiful victim, and, according to Dick Morris, "the biggest dove in the clinton administration." It is ironic that had the clintons not failed utterly to fight terrorism... not failed to take bin Laden from Sudan... not failed repeatedly to decapitate a nascent, still stoppable al Qaeda... the generic female president as a construct would still be viable... missus clinton's obstacles would be limited largely to standard-issue clintonisms: corruption, abuse, malpractice, malfeasance, megalomania, rape and treason... and, in spite of Juanita Broaddrick, or perhaps because of her, Rod Lurie would be reduced to perversely hawking the "First Gentleman" instead of the "Commander-in-Chief." Mia T, 10.02.05 |
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