Posted on 02/01/2006 10:09:49 AM PST by SirLinksalot
We've rejected and toppled democratically elected governments before. The Nazis of Germany come to mind.
It's not just Buchanan.
I saw Wolfowitz ...of all people ...say something similar.
Damn...
Yes indeed, his logic would tell us we were wrong not to support Hitler, since he was elected in a fair and democratic election. How could we ever have opposed him using Mr. Buchanan's logic.
What an idiot! Hamas has already said that they won't stop the violence. Why should the Bush administration compound the mistake of allowing them in the electoral process -they expected Hamas to win only a few seats- by giving aid to a terrorist organization -Hamas- whose goal is the extermination of Israel?
The following are excerpts from an interview with Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahar, which aired on Al-Manar TV on January 25, 2006.Mahmoud Al-Zahar: "We will not give up the resistance in the sense of jihad, martyrdom-seeking, sacrifices, arrests, the demolition of homes, and the uprooting of trees, at the same time, nor the shattering of the Israeli enemy's honor in all the confrontations - the war of tunnels and of security against the Israeli enemy, which ultimately led to its withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and part of the West Bank.
"In addition, we will teach them how we can have an industry that is independent of the Israeli enemy. We will gradually get all the laborers back [from Israel], after supplying them with job opportunities in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, where they will work in small and very small factories which will be independent of the Israeli enemy."
"Palestine means Palestine in its entirety - from the [Mediterranean] Sea to the [Jordan] River, from Ras Al-Naqura to Rafah. We cannot give up a single inch of it. Therefore, we will not recognize the Israeli enemy's [right] to a single inch. That is one thing.
"The second thing is that if the right of return is an individual right, neither Mahmoud Al-Zahar nor 'Abbas Zaki can relinquish it, because all these concessions will constitute a national catastrophe.
"The third point is that we can found a state on any piece of the land, and this will not mean we give up on any other part of the land."
Interviewer: "Condoleezza Rice has demanded that Hamas recognize Israel's right to exist. How do you respond?"
Mahmoud Al-Zahar: "Why should we recognize Condoleezza Rice... or Israel's right to exist? In this region we have faced Roman occupation, Persian occupation, Crusader occupation, British occupation - they are all gone. The Israeli enemy does not belong to the region. It does not belong to the region's history, geography, or faith. When you enter the land occupied in 1948, it is like entering an enclave. But when you go to Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, or Egypt, you feel at home. It is your homeland."
"If today we are unable to win the conflict decisively, for reasons known to all, we must not pass on to our sons a disgraceful defeat by recognizing the Israeli enemy's right to exist, where it has no such right. Link
Buchanan's IQ is twice yours, I'm sure.
"We will gradually get all the laborers back [from Israel], after supplying them with job opportunities in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, where they will work in small and very small factories which will be independent of the Israeli enemy."
Hey Mr. Al-Zahar . . . Maybe you could answer a couple of questions for me: 1) what do you plan to make in these factories?; and 2) what kind of life are you folks going to have when you find that you can't compete with China, Bangladesh, etc. unless you pay yourselves 35 cents an hour?
Here's a piece of history--There was never an independent Arab state of Palestine before Israel was founded. So what makes Buchanan think the Palestinians are entitled to an independent state? Also, he's conveniently forgetting that one of the tenants of the Hamas groups is the Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth, and Jerusalem named Capitol of Palestine.
Pat Buchanan has shown his true colors, and they are ugly. He has proven himself to be a crank and crackpot unworthy of serious discussion or even respect. Conservatives of all stripes should shun him.
Let me put it this way... it's a mess.
Me too. He's still a nice guy and has great ideas at times, but me thinks Alzheimers is setting in. Shame.
SOT
What would you do with millions of Palestinian Arabs?
Pat Buchanan has shown his true colors, and they are ugly.
Have a look: Hamas history tied to Israel
It's official: Buchanan has completely lost his mind.
Actually it's more we didn't take him out. I still wonder, why?
we have to find a way to overcome the impact of these religious leaders.
Impact is a useful word, so many meanings. Impact maintenance, center of impact. If there are enough martyrs, individual martyrdom becomes meaningless.
We have to have the courage to get rid of killers and butchers like Saddam.
Any ideas?
Summary execution has always had a short/sweet ring to it. Works well on traitors, tyrants, deserters,and terrorists. While Private Slovic was the only deserter executed in WWII, there were 46 allied rapists executed/shot by firing squad. The farcical trial of Hussein is unnecessary.
The Palestinians should either live under Israeli rule or move elsewhere. They lived under British and Turkish rule and never behaved like this. And the Israelis treat the Palestinians better than most Arab governments treat their own people. And as for the content of the article you linked, it was a divide-and-conquer strategy that backfired. It doesn't make the Hamas worthy of support.
I've defended Buchanan before on national sovereignty issues (you've read my postings) and I even voted for him in 1992. But this time he's gone too far.
If they live under Israeli rule would they have voting rights? How do you imagine possible arrangement?
And as for the content of the article you linked, it was a divide-and-conquer strategy that backfired. It doesn't make the Hamas worthy of support.
Maybe not worthy, but in politics you must do what you have to do. The separation in my opinion is the best solution for Israel, because of demographics. If Palestinians have better standard of living they will have something to lose and they will have fewer children.
Buchanan left the reservation and stopped taking his meds ages ago.
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