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Homosexual activist predicted takeover of nation
AFA ^ | Randy Sharp

Posted on 01/29/2006 10:53:38 PM PST by Cedar

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To: willyboyishere

I'm not going to say we shouldn't worry about it, but the truth is, the last election handed the gay agenda a clear and solid defeat. All we need to do is keep the momentum.


101 posted on 01/30/2006 9:23:23 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: JamesP81

Yes, Mark Steyn is an excellent writer. I see how their lifestyles will diminish the "blue" states, and what is happening in Europe. Hopefully, the "red" states will not go down that road.


102 posted on 01/30/2006 11:16:21 PM PST by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: Cedar

Oh, so "hetero swine" does NOT represent "hate speech"?

The "manifesto" is vile throwup from a diseased mind and corrupted spirit. God is not mocked. Satan has been condemned as will be, also, all who compact with him without repentence.


103 posted on 01/30/2006 11:38:31 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Cedar
I went searching to see whether or not the author of that piece was now deceased, or perhaps still living.

Anyway, I found a website ("agenda busters") that's interesting and related to the thread contents, as follows:

From that site ("agenda busters") there is this:

=======QUOTE BEGINS=======

The Rainbow Alliance Open Faith (organization) states that the above piece was requested by the Gay Community News as satirical "proof" of the so-called "Gay Agenda".

They go on to further state: The Radical Religious Right has repeatedly referenced the "Gay Agenda" to promulgate lies about the homosexual movement.

Satire or not, NO ONE can deny that it is happening.

THEY CERTAINLY CANNOT DENY THEIR WRITTEN AGENDA THAT THEY HAVE PUBLISHED IN FOUR DIFFERENT YEARS -- Unedited in their very own words:

Agenda 1972

Agenda 1987

Agenda 1993

Agenda 2000

Promulgating LIES? I don't think so......

=======END QUOTE=======

104 posted on 01/30/2006 11:56:58 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: willyboyishere

Yeah, but some of us were'nt reading FR years ago...I think it is meritorious to again discuss this, especially given that many of the "manifesto" "objectives" have by this date been even more emphasized by practitioners.


105 posted on 01/30/2006 11:58:25 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Cedar

The real Gay Agenda, apoligies if already posted:

6:00 am Gym
8:00 am Breakfast (oatmeal and egg whites)
9:00 am Hair appointment
10:00 am Shopping
12:00 PM Brunch

2:00 PM
1) Assume complete control of the U.S. Federal, State and Local
Governments as well as all other national governments,
2) Recruit all straight youngsters to our debauched lifestyle,
3) Destroy all healthy heterosexual marriages,
4) Replace all school counselors in grades K-12 with agents of Colombian
and Jamaican drug cartels,
5) Establish planetary chain of "homo breeding gulags" where over-medicated
imprisoned straight women are turned into artificially impregnated baby
factories to produce prepubescent love slaves for our devotedly
pederastic gay leadership,
6) bulldoze all houses of worship, and
7) Secure total control of the INTERNET and all mass media for the
exclusive use of child pornographers.

2:30 PM Get forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from
stress of world conquest
4:00 PM Cocktails
6:00 PM Light Dinner (soup, salad, with Chardonnay)
8:00 PM Theater
11:00 PM Bed (du jour)?


106 posted on 01/31/2006 4:08:00 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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Web Sense at work. Ping for home.....


107 posted on 02/01/2006 2:28:45 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: MillerCreek

Thanks for your added research and comments.


108 posted on 02/01/2006 6:54:32 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Cedar

Sure. You, too.


109 posted on 02/01/2006 8:39:26 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Cedar

And who says theres no homosexual agenda?


110 posted on 02/01/2006 10:49:03 PM PST by SDGOP
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To: Cedar

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1514049/posts
Time’s Pressing Agenda (pro-gay movement almost got ripped off its head)

>>>>The story glowed over the prospect that more teens identify themselves as gay. It praised efforts to provide gay teens with scholarships and the proliferation of Gay Straight Alliance clubs in public schools. It dismissed professional and religious claims that homosexual orientation can be treated.

Who is David Mixner?
(snip)

A big, garrulous man, with a robust laugh and a passion beyond measure, the author and political consultant, born in southern New Jersey on August 16, 1946, fell into the world of politics almost by accident. "I don't know why I got so much political success at such a young age," he says. He's never run for office ("Never will"), never accepted an political appointment, not even when his good friend Bill Clinton was living in the White House, and he has interests that reach far beyond the world of politics.

(snip)

I've been a political person for forty-four years -- started doing volunteer work for John F. Kennedy in 1960. My family were Irish-Catholic immigrants and it was an essential part of the Irish-Catholic experience to work for Kennedy if you were alive back then. I was heavily involved in the civil rights movement in the early 1960s. And I was head of the Vietnam Moratorium, which in the late sixties did all the big marches against the war in Vietnam. I got heavily involved in the campaigns of Eugene McCarthy, George McGovern and Robert Kennedy for president. I became very prominent politically and nationally as a young person -- of course that was the age of youth back then, "The Summer of Love." I'd been to jail a couple of times by then for civil rights -- all for the right things. I was in the closet until I was thirty.

(snip)

MIXNER: Light years ahead of where we were. Let's just sort of walk through it. I was one of the founders of the first gay and lesbian political PACs in history. And that partially came out of the fact of me coming out and becoming a victim -- "God, they're returning my money and they're not letting me play anymore" and " I'm a has-been at 30." My partner, Peter Scott, said to me, "You can either be a victim or you can fight back. What's the thing they respect more than anything else?" And I said, "Money." And he said, "Well, let's just speak their language." So we formed the first gay and lesbian PAC in history, called MECLA -- the Municipal Elections Committee of Los Angeles. It was the organization that HRC modeled itself after. We had the first big political dinner in Los Angeles. I'll never forget -- it made $40,000, an all-time record. And we couldn't believe it. Now, the other night, I sat in an audience in New York, where the gay and lesbian community raised $1.8 million for John Kerry in one night. And five days beforehand, the gay and lesbian community in the back yard of Senator Edward Kennedy raised another $300,000 for the fight against the amendment. And HRC in the last six months has raised a million to fight the amendment. And the Log Cabin Republicans raised almost a million to fight the amendment. Start adding it up -- we've almost raised $25 million this year alone. And back then we were thrilled with forty-fucking-thousand dollars. So look at how far we've come, that's my point.

(snip)

MIXNER: I don't want him to. I don't want him to even look back at that record. We're a whole different community than we were in the 1990s. I want him to have a whole different image of us. And I want us to force him to look at us differently. He's going to be tempted to look at what he knows. And what he knows is the community of the 1990s. But we're a whole different tribe now. And we cannot be the ones to push the Clinton analogy out there. We've got to say, "Oh, no, no, no, that was a decade ago, honey. Listen, Mary, it's a whole new world." It's not enough to be appointed deputy deputy deputy deputy. We want cabinet. We want money from the DNC for our Senate candidates.

Electing your own in the political process is still the most important thing. I've often said I didn't spend these last twenty some years fighting for someone to be the head of the gay and lesbian student alliance. I've been fighting for twenty years so they can be president. Of the United States. And I mean it. I don't know if I'll live to see it, but then I actually didn't think I'd live long enough to see a lot of the stuff I've seen. I've been caught by surprise by how much progress we've made. So who knows?

more: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=244#244

He was one of five key leaders of the Moratorium.
See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=1#1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=238#238
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=270#270


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=270#270
"I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine."

The friend he's alluding to would be David Mixner, one of five key leaders of the Moratorium, the other four being Jerome Grossman (founder), Sam Brown (primary organizer), David Hawk, and Marge Sklencar.

On a related note with respect to Kerry, in early 1970 while he was running for Congress Kerry became friends and political allies with Grossman and Brown. . .[SNIP]

The first paragraph ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=1#1 ) is a quote from Bill Clinton, not John Kerry. Hence what I was saying in the second paragraph was that Clinton knew Mixner. Kerry knew Mixner's associates Jerome Grossman and Sam Brown. I don't know if he knew Mixner; he may have.




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1499463/posts
Time Magazine, School Event Expose Massive Cultural Campaign to Promote Homosexuality to Kids

(snip)

The TIME October 10 piece, “The Battle Over Gay Teens,” which includes not a single reference to the extremely dangerous medical consequences of homosexual behavior, especially for boys, includes these details:

• A cocktail party in Manhattan with billionaire liquor magnate Edgar Bronfman, Sr. and Clinton political strategist David Mixner was held in May to raise money for the Point Foundation, a scholarship program to turn “gay” kids into homosexual activists...

(snip)






For immediate release

Sunday, August 14, 1994

Contact: Gay and Lesbian Utah Democrats
Post Office Box 11311
Salt Lake City, Utah 84147-0311
(801)461-5058 metropolitan Salt Lake City telephone number
(800)864-0310 national toll-free telephone number
Internet: glud@aol.com

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David Mixner fights gay political "under-representation"

SALT LAKE CITY - Shortly before President Bill Clinton announced his support
of a new "don't ask, don't tell, don't pursue" policy about gays in the
military, his openly gay college friend and campaign advisor David Mixner
told The Washington Blade that the president was "good, but far from perfect
on gay and AIDS issues."

The Los Angeles-based political consultant was expressing a widespread
opinion about how many bisexual, gay and lesbian people viewed President
Clinton more critically after his election than they did during his 1992
presidential campaign when he promised to lift the ban against gays in the
military completely, among other things.

"I find him to still be very popular in the gay and lesbian community, but
people are no longer willing to give blind faith. It is now more of an
alliance than a fan club," Mixner said.

That alliance is what gave one of Mixner's groups, Coalition '93, the chance
to encourage the appointment of more than 22 openly gay or lesbian staffers
to the Clinton administration including Roberta Achtenberg as the assistant
secretary for fair housing at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban
Development.

But the government appointment of openly bisexual, gay and lesbian people is
only part of the fight for Mixner. As a director of the Washington,
D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, he hopes to take the success of
electing a supportive president and appointing administration staffers to the
ballot boxes of every state.

"Gay men and lesbians are the most under-represented group in electoral
politics," Mixner complains. Other Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund leaders point
out that of the 497,155 elected officials serving in the United States, only
70 are openly bisexual, gay or lesbian including two U.S. representatives and
12 state legislators. The Fund contributes much-needed money to the campaigns
of openly bisexual, gay and lesbian people.

Mixner has agreed to be the keynote speaker at the Gay and Lesbian Utah
Democrats 1994 Celebration which is planned for 7:00 p.m. on Saturday, Oct. 8
at the John W. Gallivan Utah Center at 36 East 200 South in Salt Lake City.
He plans to speak about "We're Our Own Best Hope - Coming Out In Politics."

"It's appropriate that one of America's most successful gay politicians will
be joining us to celebrate our most successful year," GLUD Chair Michael
Aaron said. "David Mixner works effectively and tirelessly to define
bisexual, gay and lesbian politics inside and outside the Clinton White
House, and as a director of the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund."

The celebration is the group's fourth-annual reception and awards dinner, and
is a National Coming Out Day event. The black-tie-optional celebration has
attracted many elected and appointed public officials and candidates since
the first such event in 1990.

"We're very pleased to be offering again one of the few formal events in Utah
that brings together bisexual, gay and lesbian people and public officials in
a pleasant environment," GLUD Founder David Nelson said. "Our celebrations
have become known by many as one of the most enjoyable evenings of the year."

Tickets are available for $30 per person and $55 per couple. Tickets are also
available to GLUD members for $25 each. Ticket information is available by
calling (801)461-5058 or (800)864-0310. Seating is limited.



http://www.aim.org/aim_report_print/5_0_4_0/
AIM Report: Hillary Clinton's Biggest Cover-Ups
August 11, 2003

(snip)

Anti-Anti-Communist

In her book, however, Hillary does write about some of her radical associates. She notes a meeting in 1969 with David Mixner of the Vietnam Moratorium Committee, an anti-Vietnam war protest group that came under investigation by the House Internal Security Subcommittee for its involvement with communists and backing from Hanoi. Mixner would go on to become a leading homosexual activist, adviser to and friend of President Clinton. He was credited with delivering some six million votes to Clinton in 1992.

(snip)


111 posted on 02/02/2006 9:07:24 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: walt235

According to the article, it states that 2/3rd of all pediphiles are hetrosexual. That is an amazing statistic. That is one thing I always thought was homosexauls were to peds, now I guess I was wrong all along. That is scary.


112 posted on 02/02/2006 9:34:18 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: GBoettner

I don't agree with that statement. Why do you say that? Seems a bit crazy to say. I mean why wish death on people. Don't you know many babies end up with it and have horrible deaths.


113 posted on 02/02/2006 9:36:26 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Calpernia

Lots of information there, thanks.

There may be others like myself who were unaware of this fact quoted about the Clinton Administration:

"That alliance is what gave one of Mixner's groups, Coalition '93, the chance to encourage the appointment of more than 22 openly gay or lesbian staffers to the Clinton administration including Roberta Achtenberg as the assistant secretary for fair housing at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development"


114 posted on 02/02/2006 10:17:04 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Cedar

The soviets liked to recruit gays as spies because they could use them to blackmail politicians and others in positions of power.

Remember Golan Cipel? Former Gov. McGreevey's sex partner?

(Trenton, New Jersey) Former New Jersey Gov. James E. McGreevey, who resigned from office in 2004 after acknowledging a gay affair while married, has written a blog with gay rights activist and author David Mixner.

(snip)

David Mixner and his former ties to Vietnam Moratorium.






115 posted on 02/03/2006 4:03:22 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: OldFriend; Tired of Taxes; Sub-Driver; Liz; Coleus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1567746/posts?page=111#111

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1567746/posts?page=115#115


116 posted on 02/03/2006 5:17:18 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Frightening.


117 posted on 02/03/2006 7:24:36 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Cedar

If one (or more) good vivid picture of some former gay blade wasting away with sores all over himself and looking like a walking skeleton could be placed on websites for young folks a lot of this crap would come to a screeching halt.


118 posted on 02/03/2006 1:19:56 PM PST by american spirit
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To: Lazamataz

So which part do you object to most...the buggering or the being dead?


119 posted on 02/03/2006 1:26:31 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Cedar; metmom

This is for those men taken in by the homosexual agenda, and think there is no way out. To tell a person "you were born that way..." or "it's genetic" is to destroy hope for change, and ultimately make him a victim of chance, and therefore, less than human. Tell him the truth. Call it sin. There is a remedy for sin.

Ministering to Homosexuals in San Francisco
Charles A. McIlhenny
Extracted from Ordained Servant vol. 6, no. 1 (January 1997)








A mother tearfully confided in me as pastor that her son poignantly declared himself “gay.” She had always “known” that he was different. He didn’t play sports, he wasn’t vicious or brutal, he liked music and interior decorating, he had a slight swagger to his gait, he spoke with a faint hair-lisp, and always hung around Uncle Harry at family gatherings. His declaration, however, seemed to be the “coup de grace” on their relationship - his relationship to his mother. I momentarily reflected on her sobbing, and then replied that it seemed like she was grieving over the discovery that her son was a from another planet—a Martian! That his supposed “coming out”—his confessing a newly discovered faith-sex-condition—put him beyond the pale of her fundamentalist retrieval and that she’d better get used to him being an alien, i. e., gay!

The homosexual propaganda machine has been cranking out overtime, to an unbelieving secular media, convincing people that “gay” is equivalent to any other already legitimate genetic race-like group. And amazingly many naive Christians have been seduced by such propaganda.

News Flash, Madam! Your son is NOT a Martian. He’s a sinner that needs the grace of God—JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER SINNER.

When people ask me if we have any special counseling for homosexuals I say yes: the counsel of the Word of God, the counsel of the preaching of the Gospel, the counsel of God’s call of repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, the counsel of God’s corporate covenant community in worship. Contrary to the gimmicks of the world, you’d better believe we have something special.

Is the modern homosexual a special case with unique and complex psychoses which the primitive Scriptures never knew? Have we imbibed the pseudo-medical conclusion which places the 20th century homophile beyond the reach of the naive, hysterical dictates of the Word of God? Does the Word of God fail to recognize newly discovered genetic and biological factors to which, had they been known, would have made a difference in whether to condemn or accept homosexuals as just different? Does the Bible fail to appropriately distinguish between orientation and praxis? Does the Bible really condemn homosexuals or does it condemn heterosexuals acting contrary to their natures? Is it inversion or perversion which is forbidden by the Scriptures? The answer to all these questions is a resounding NO! Homosexuals have no place to hide from the scrutiny of God’s Law—no more than any other sinner who tries to invent excuses for his sin. That’s why the homosexual paradigm is so crucial for the church today. If this sin can be justified, then ANY sin can be excused; but the only justification recognized by the Word is that of sinners who repent and believe in the cross of Christ, instead of making excuses.

No, homosexuals are to be recieve no special method or message different from other sinners that need Jesus. If that were the case every sinner would have a special excuse for his peculiar type sin. The Bible is clear that sin, of whatever make and model, can only be forgiven by grace and overcome by the power of the gospel.

News flash! The opposite of a homosexual IS NOT a heterosexual. The idea that a homosexual is of another human kind is as foolish as saying the opposite of a paedophile is a heterosexual, or the opposite of an adulterer is a heterosexual. The true opposite of fornication is regeneration; the biblical opposite of paedophilia is justification; the cleansed opposite of homosexuality is sanctification. They ARE all heterosexuals! They haven’t stopped BEING heterosexuals. They have all broken God’s moral law. They all need to be converted -” to be washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” [1 Cor. 6: 11]

In a sense every sinner is different in his sin but there is only ONE common faith-message: repent and believe the gospel. Paul told the Philippian jailer: “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your household.” [Acts 16: 31] This was not tailor-made for Philippian government workers or European white/ male or Greek mid-life crises jailers with families. Paul would have said this to anyone no matter what his background or circumstance of sin would be.

Many of the homosexuality-plagued seekers think that they must be a special case. It’s supposedly too hard to give up this sin; ergo, maybe it’s not sin after all! These people must see that it is no more difficult to abandon this sin than any other sin. That this sin has the same cleansing promise as every other sin—no more and no less than the work of Christ.

Paul does say that, compared to other sins, sexual sin denigrates the human body; but he doesn’t give them a different message of the gospel, nor promise a separate healing. [1 Cor. 6: 18]

One size fits all.

As for the homosexual’s recovery the Apostle gives him the one common holy institution for all sinners: the divinely appointed redemptive agency of the Church of Jesus Christ. I say that as a pastor who knows from the Word of God that this is the covenant institution—the family of God—which best cares for sinners and saints. She cares for sinners in warning them to flee from the wrath to come forbidding them entrance into the Kingdom of God while unrepentant; and for saints, in that it provides the comfort of the gospel of the forgiveness of sins and protection against the enemy. This institution sets the overall context for counseling those struggling with homosexuality.

San Francisco culture has a uniqueness when it comes to ministering to homosexuals. In the first place, there is such a strong support system legally organized to reinforce homosexual way of life that part of the biblical therapy process many times demands fleeing this City altogether. There is such a bombardment of homosexuality—at every level of government, education, medical/health, scientific, media, entertainment and legislation—that in order to forsake wickedness as the Apostle exhorts, one must actually flee the City like Lot of old—not because of an impending brimstone shower but because the seduction is so wickedly powerful.

Every imaginable agency, institution, and ombudsman provides for the most perplexed and questioning homosexual and lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and transvestite, and transgenerational person. Even worse, virtually every mainline church—loosely defined—supports gay/ lesbian causes along with same-sex marital unions.

Just recently the San Francisco Human Rights Commission, along with the endorsement of the Mayor and the Board of Supervisors, hosted a televised hearing for “Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Transgender, and Questioning Youth Summit.” Over four hours of testimony was taken from self-proclaimed homosexual teens by these agencies in order to see if added legislation was necessary to support “our gay youth” in the City. New health & medical services were demanded, free condom distribution, free needle for exchanges, gay/lesbian counseling services at the junior high and high school level.

In ministering to the homosexual inquirer, we’ve found that he must cut off all relations with his old “community”; he must reconstitute by faith into the family of God. He needs a whole new set of spiritual brothers and sisters, moms and dads, found in the Church of Christ. He needs a remodeled family in which to pattern new life and conduct; a place where God’s man is a man and God’s woman is really woman; husbands acting like husbands and wives acting like wives. It’s not simply a matter of a “role model” reversal; it’s not replacing one “role” with another “role” as if play acting. A godly structured atmosphere is found only in the church of Jesus Christ that offers real hope and remedy for the enslaved sex addict.

In ministering to the homosexual inquirer not only must the Law of God be pressed upon the conscience but God’s one forgiveness in Christ alone must be also offered. Unless homosexuality be understood fundamentally as sin—transgression of God’s one and only moral Law—no further deliverance and recovery ought to be expected.

Here are fundamental givens based exclusively on the Word of God. Do NOT compromise on the biblical message of sin and grace. That is the repentant homosexual’s only hope. Do NOT compromise for the sake of winning the sympathetic hearing. His eternal security is in the uncompromised message of the Scriptures which every sinner needs.

He needs:

re-enforcement from the Word on what God says about homosexuality: grace, forgiveness and judgment,
regular monitored accountability meetings with the elders; one of the elders should covenant to pray for him daily, (part of that accountability is in regular weekly prayer and Bible study gatherings with the congregation at large),
reminding that the continual faith-struggle with temptation is part of the sanctification process—it’s when he stops struggling that he’s got problems,
reassurance that he’s not alone in this battle for victory; other members—every member—also struggles like he does,
to be careful about putting himself in temptation’s way,
to avoid being introduced to someone else who struggles with the same sexual sin—that’s too much temptation. Many of these Christians live alone and temptation in such cases is much more difficult to resist,
to know that in Christ he/ she is no longer a homosexual or lesbian just like converted murders and liars are no longer such despite temptations and feelings! “Such WERE some of you. . .” [1 Cor. 6: 11]
The Apostle Paul exhorts Timothy to “flee youthful lusts. . . with those calling upon the Lord. . .” [2 Tim. 2: 22] In other words, the exhortation to flee lust is ALONG WITH others struggling against sin in the context of the covenant community. The agency of the church has no hope for unrepentant homosexual only God’s sure wrath. The church has no authority from her Lord and Head to offer any hope apart from the grace of conversion; but for any repentant sinners, all the resources of the eternal God—“. . . my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.” [Phil 4: 19]

As pastor I have the sure “medicine” for sin and relief in the preaching of the gospel. The ultimate counseling session must be done in the corporate worship service not merely private sessions; the full extent of the divinely appointed-ordinances of the Lord are necessary to combat and destroy every high thing and thought exalted against the Lord. Families in the church must be made aware of their needed role in ministering to individuals struggling with sin. Yet at the same time a person’s sexual past is really nobody else’s business. A group gathering of like minded repentant homosexuals must not congregate to talk out their mutual trials. Such sessions subtly foster rather than battle temptations. The mixed—heterogeneous—congregation common ground for all is God’s safest sanctuary for biblical “group-therapy.”

Thank God there is this: the one size-fits-all gospel which alone guarantees to all sinners deliverance through our one common Savior, Jesus Christ. As I counsel struggling Christians, if the Christian faith does NOT save you from YOUR sin, then I’ll renounce the faith and join you. If it won’t work equally for you, it won’t work for me either. Whatever peculiar providences may have “caused” one’s moral adversity, unless he begins where Scripture begins, he will not end where Scripture promises—an end to sin.

November 13, 1996







The Rev. Dr. Charles A. McIlhenny is pastor of First Orthodox Presbyterian Church of San Francisco, California. For the past twenty years or so he has dared to boldly proclaim the truth of the Scriptures in America’s most infamous center for the gay and lesbian sub-culture. We would urge all our readers to get and read the book entitled When the Wicked Seize the City, by Rev. McIlhenny and his wife Donna.


120 posted on 02/03/2006 1:38:31 PM PST by WestwardHo (Don't be afraid to ask a question.)
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