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Pataki Wants Drivers to Fill Up With Ethanol or Biodiesel
NY Times ^
| January 7, 2006
| DANNY HAKIM
Posted on 01/07/2006 7:38:04 PM PST by neverdem
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To: Paleo Conservative
Petroleum production and refining use energy as well.
But you bring up an interesting point. How many BTUs of energy are needed to produce one BTU of Ethanol vs. one BTU of gasoline or diesel?
I know fermentation itself releases energy- that's why barns full of too-wet hay catch fire.
With modern technology, how much of the heat from the evaporation process can be recaptured?
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:15:47 PM PST
by
Ostlandr
("Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda)
To: ClaireSolt
...adds real urgency to the drive for alternatives Have you looked into WVO? I just bought an old diesel VW Pickup. Diesels will run on almost any type of oil (peanut, soy, kerosene, waste vegetable oil, etc.). Stop by your local Chinese food restaurant and fill up for free. Some filtering required to get the fortune cookie crumbs out first, of course.
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:18:41 PM PST
by
69ConvertibleFirebird
(Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
I can field this.
E85 (85% Ethanol/15% petroleum gasoline) can damage the fuel systems of engines not engineered for this fuel. The alcohol will damage rubber/plastic components.
E85 capable vehicles have fuel systems with seals, gaskets, etc. rated for alcohol.
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:19:34 PM PST
by
Ostlandr
("Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda)
To: ClaireSolt
Digging up tanks in response to very expensive EPA mandates.
Probably installing double walled tanks with leak detection.
Expensive for the station owners (and passed on to consumers) but I don't miss that rainbow sheen on my drinking water.
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:22:30 PM PST
by
Ostlandr
("Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda)
To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
69ConvertibleFirebird wrote:
(E85 ethanol/gas mix can seriously damage your engine.) Please post your reference showing this. In college my roommate used to tell me that electric razors would tear your face off. Obviously he didn't have a reference for that claim.Here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9340969/
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:23:06 PM PST
by
quidnunc
(Omnis Gaul delenda est)
To: Ostlandr
Yeah, a rubber fuel line degrading is "pretty serious" engine damage.
I believe that all manufacturers now design their vehicles to run on the new fuels. I know that bio-diesel is OK in all new diesels.
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:23:58 PM PST
by
69ConvertibleFirebird
(Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
To: ol painless
"Pataki Wants Drivers to Fill Up With Ethanol"He should be pleased with Teddy!
No, Teddy is pleased with him.
When was the last time Teddy agreed with a Republican, anyway?
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:25:14 PM PST
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: quidnunc
OK, now post a reference not that isn't typical MSM "some experts say," and "we've heard once of," b.s. Yes, OLD cars may have problems in a few minor areas (fuel lines, etc.) but no "serious" engine damage.
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:30:06 PM PST
by
69ConvertibleFirebird
(Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
To: neverdem
I would like for Pataki to immediately retire to Cuba, and they want ice-water in hell, however..
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:30:50 PM PST
by
DoNotDivide
(Were the American Revolutionaries rebelling against Constituted Authority and thereby God? I say no.)
To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
69ConvertibleFirebird wrote:
OK, now post a reference not that isn't typical MSM "some experts say," and "we've heard once of," b.s. Yes, OLD cars may have problems in a few minor areas (fuel lines, etc.) but no "serious" engine damage.I don't have to furnish you with anything.
I made a true observation which you are free to accept or reject, and I provided a link.
If you want to risk a blown engine by using E85 that's your business and none of my concern.
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posted on
01/07/2006 8:34:02 PM PST
by
quidnunc
(Omnis Gaul delenda est)
To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
No, but I read about it. Being retired, I drive so little that it is not a personal issue, just one I have been interested in for a long time. Have you heard about the turkey oil coming from processing plant in MO ? That's a good one. If the EPA stays out of it, Yankee ingenuity will triumph.
To: Paleo Conservative
Well, one could run a still on solar power - it does not take that much, just mirrors. The Brazilians have found ethanol marginally economical - not from grain, though, but from biomass, IIRC.
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posted on
01/07/2006 9:20:09 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
VW will only warranty up to B5.
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posted on
01/07/2006 9:21:46 PM PST
by
VeniVidiVici
(What? Me worry?)
To: GSlob
Ok so set up a solar power farm in Manhattan.
To: neverdem
I knew a bunch of drivers who used to fill up with ethanol--but someone got MADD....(8^D)
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posted on
01/07/2006 9:24:40 PM PST
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
To: Coleus; cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
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posted on
01/07/2006 9:25:15 PM PST
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
To: neverdem
That RINO Pataki can KMA!
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posted on
01/07/2006 9:41:34 PM PST
by
NYTexan
(Where is MY Global Warming???)
To: Paleo Conservative
Why Manhattan? Arizona, or maybe Death Valley would be proper locations for solar-powered stills. I've seen a solar powered kitchen range: aluminum mirror about 6 feet in diameter, with three metal rods forming a sort of a tripod - and on that tripod a kettle was hung. On a regular 90 F day the water in that teakettle was brought to boiling surprizingly fast, something like 20 minutes, IIRC.
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posted on
01/07/2006 9:50:29 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: GSlob
surprizingly=surprisingly. Adjacent key typo.
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posted on
01/07/2006 9:54:21 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: neverdem
I already fill myself up every night with ethanol
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posted on
01/07/2006 11:15:47 PM PST
by
Flavius
(Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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